Crafting: This is it for me.

[Adera]

Hi all! I just needed to open myself a bit about the current state of crafting. First of all, I have always enjoyed crafting in FFXIV. I didn't have all classes at 3-4 star in ARR but I did have my all classes to 50, I could help my friends with low level crafts, I could repair my own gear and meld it. I had 1 class that could craft 3* but that was it, since I was a bit late to the crafting game. I figured that when Heavensward arrives, I will have 2-3 jobs at max crafting capability and was excited for the weekly scrip system and for the chance to start at same point with everyone else.

Now, red scrip system was released yesterday. I logged in, opened Rowena's Splendors and just stared at the screen for a minute. 12 red scrips for 1 mastercraft item that requires several expensive crafting materials from other crafts? This has to be a mistake. Now let's break this down, I currently have only Leatherworker at 60 and the item of the day is: Serpentskin Bootlets Of Casting

What I need to craft this is:

Amphiptere Leather x 2 (Leatherworker stuff cool, I got this and I can even HQ em from nq mats, cool. MB: 10k a piece)

Chimerical Felt x 1 (Weaver item, costs about 30k a pice in MB, NQ. Now my weaver is lvl53 and can't craft this yet. Requires Chimera Mane, there's 6 mobs in Azys Lla that drop this with and extremely low drop rate)

Crawler Silk x 1 (Another 1* weaver item, can't craft it yet. Even if I could, requires a shitload of farming to craft. MB: 50k a piece)

Grade 1 Intelligence Dissolvent x 1 (Alchemist item, cool I can craft this. Requires still a bit of farming. But hey, it's 50k a piece on market as well)

So to summarize it, to get 12 scrips, I need 200k worth of materials or try to look for people that can craft em and farm stuff myself, which most likely will take some time. 12 scrips you say? So basically I only need to craft this about 35 times to cap myself. For the ***** week. Cool, thats only 7 million worth of mats. A week. And let's not forget the gil loss that occurs on the time I have been doing this to get 450 scrips.

Let's say that everything that is OK and I can now gear myself properly to craft GODLY items. Wait, there is none. The highest level crafted items are ilvl180 and require a shit ton of red scrip material from gatherer's that are rare as heck (and most likely will be if there isn't any change on this). i180 is OK, but by the time anyone can HQ them properly we most likely will have ilvl230-250 going around from tomes and raids.

Who the hell did come up with this ridiculous farm to craft vanity items and subpar battle gear? I don't have time or will to do this, this game isn't work for me. I will most likely still be getting all my crafts to 60, I will meld the white 60 gear to craft to basic 1-2 star but that will most likely be it. Thank you Square Enix for ruining the aspect I have loved so much in this game.

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[Lemuria]

I will most likely still be getting all my crafts to 60, I will meld the white 60 gear to craft to basic 1-2 star but that will most likely be it.

Um... so the only real issue is that you don't have the necessary crafts to make the item you want? Yet, you also argue that it's your intention to level them to 60 anyway? You're one very conflicted player.

If you're levelling those crafts anyway, then you'll be able to use them to make chimerical felt, crawler silks and dissolvents. That will quite literally kill off your entire argument and solve the issue you're having. This game has ALWAYS been about relying on other crafts for various items, so why did you suddenly think it would change now?

Now, the drop rates for many of those items I totally agree with, and I even posted my own thread on the subject. But the crafts themselves are not really an issue.

[Risvertasashi]

Let's say that everything that is OK and I can now gear myself properly to craft GODLY items. Wait, there is none. The highest level crafted items are ilvl180

Honestly, this is the way it should be. People shouldn't need huge amounts of gil if they want to raid and do primals. Having it come from battle content is the way to do it.

To whoever made this design decision at SE, thank you.

Sorry that they made the crafting system so cumbersome, though.

[Lemuria]

Honestly, this is the way it should be. People shouldn't need huge amounts of gil if they want to raid and do primals. Having it come from battle content is the way to do it.

No one is asking for it to be superior, we've been asking for it to be on-par. One way FFXI got around some of these issues is to have crafted items that required tokens, called abjurations to unlock their potential. They were endgame in their strength, but still required the owner to do some fighting to obtain those tokens.

Crafters go through a lot of trouble to make what is essentially vanity-wear at the end of the day. It's really disappointing that people see us as money-hoarding villains to the extent they need to deny us any truly useful crafts.

[ElieDavion]

yeah well atleast culinarian (food) and alchemist (pots) are still usefull but i dont see any point in other crafts (except vanity maybe) never have and prolly never will wich is the reason my crafters are at the lvl they are ^^

[Adera]

Um... so the only real issue is that you don't have the necessary crafts to make the item you want? Yet, you also argue that it's your intention to level them to 60 anyway? You're one very conflicted player.

If you're levelling those crafts anyway, then you'll be able to use them to make chimerical felt, crawler silks and dissolvents.

Sorry If I expressed myself badly. Yes, leveling crafts will make this problem go away. However, the effective cost of capping scrips every week is still multi million and will stay for a long time because of this system. Given the base materials and all crafts at 60 the time gating isn't that bad.

[Nutz]

I haven't been able to play as much lately, but this seems like a ridiculous system. Several million gil worth of items (whether you gather/ make them yourself or not) to create items for weekly turn ins seems like very bad design. Upon hearing about this (months ago) I assumed it would be akin to GC turn ins or just running dungeons like the other turn ins, which are all pretty simple and generally cost nothing but a bit of time. Currently as a self sufficient crafter it sounds like 10-20 red scrips cost about the same amount of time as 100-200 esoteric tomes. Sounds like a terrible deal really, especially since self sufficiency in crafting requires all classes, while all combat classes are self sufficient natively (give or take a few minutes on queue times).

[Yukiko]

FFXIV is the first game where i see "endgame" grinding.
Most other games you can grind for endgame and not begin grinding when reaching endgame...
RNG is still one big issue and not only on droprate!

[StrejdaTom]

I don't mind the need to have all crafts on 60, actually I kinda like it. Atleast I have some goals to reach.
But the gatherers scrips are problem, yup.

[Limecat]

This crafting/gathering update pretty much went tits-up.