This red scrip system doesn't seem very casual-friendly..

[Fenral]

By next week do you mean when the weekly cap resets on Thursday? Next Tuesday? The Thursday after that? It would suck to see the system adjusted in the middle of the crafting/gathering week, especially if it means the items you turned in before then are suddenly worth more than you got for them.

[Eisengrim]

By next week do you mean when the weekly cap resets on Thursday? Next Tuesday? The Thursday after that? It would suck to see the system adjusted in the middle of the crafting/gathering week, especially if it means the items you turned in before then are suddenly worth more than you got for them.

Shhhhh. I'm just happy they're listening to feedback. The vast majority of which was negative lol

[Fenral]

Shhhhh. I'm just happy they're listening to feedback. The vast majority of which was negative lol

Eep. You're right.

Thanks for beign the bearer of good news, Zhexos!

[Marmotteuh]

Shhhhh. I'm just happy they're listening to the mighty Japanese community feedback. The vast majority of which was negative lol

FTFY
How to get something fixed: don't bother, hope the JP complains about it and it's fixed in two weeks.

[Drako]

By next week do you mean when the weekly cap resets on Thursday? Next Tuesday? The Thursday after that? It would suck to see the system adjusted in the middle of the crafting/gathering week, especially if it means the items you turned in before then are suddenly worth more than you got for them.

I'm confused how would that suck exactly? You have now been made aware they are making adjustments to this. Even if you didn't know what date they make the adjustments, you know that it will happen. So DON'T turn in your items before then. Wait until after the usual weekly maintenance/hotfix's, then hand in if no fix before thursday. Problem solved. The one thing I would be worried about, is if they make adjustments to it mid-week, is there a chance that it will reset the weekly cap? Hmmm. All things considered though, it wasn't that terribly difficult to get the cap. I got it finished sunday, with the wrong assumption it was resetting tuesday. And on top of that I had gathered enough ores for a couple more tokens. So as long as the easier item to obtain via mining/harvesting doesn't change weekly, it wont be hard to get the cap. Much less you can gather it even after your done with cap, to hoard and hold onto for the future hand ins.(altho It can get hard on the inventory..) And I just have the bought HQ gear, no melds, and only have MIN, I don't have BTN. So I can only hit the one mining point in Asys Lla twice a game day. And I've done regular roulette's, and queueing for EX stuff with FC. Again its not as hard as some say. But I won't be complaining when its made easier. That's more time for me to spend elsewhere, between this change, and the change to Alex drops, I'll have a crap load time to sync into other content on the game. So I'll be happy with the change.

Oh I forgot to mention the part about crafting.. That is most defintiely needed. Due to the cost of buying these materials outright to make the item, those should definitely have a much greater value for red scrips. Gathering probably doesn't need nearly as much of a buff, but crafting definitely does.

[Ibi]

I'm confused how would that suck exactly? You have now been made aware they are making adjustments to this. Even if you didn't know what date they make the adjustments, you know that it will happen. So DON'T turn in your items before then. Wait until after the usual weekly maintenance/hotfix's, then hand in if no fix before thursday. Problem solved.

It can suck because the turn in items vary from day to day.

If you get something cheaper and easier for your crafter red scrip turn ins on Sunday, but Tuesday and Wednesday's items are considerably more expensive or difficult to make, for example.

[Drako]

It can suck because the turn in items vary from day to day.

If you get something cheaper and easier for your crafter red scrip turn ins on Sunday, but Tuesday and Wednesday's items are considerably more expensive or difficult to make, for example.

Ya that's my bad. 90% of my comment was speaking about DoL specifically. I didn't consider DoH at all until the end of all of that. I haven't even bother with DoH yet. Because I don't really have the gil to flush down the drain on it. And I currently don't have enough crafters high enough to make all of the cross class mats I need to make one item for one specific class...

[Fenral]

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Just trying to plan ahead. I'm more concerned with the crafter scrip yields, honestly, because the reward varies a lot more on a day-to-day basis.

[Nanga]

Just trying to plan ahead. I'm more concerned with the crafter scrip yields, honestly, because the reward varies a lot more on a day-to-day basis.

I agree, and in addition to that, I feel the weekly cap is just way too low. We're already gated in so many other ways - mats being one of them - it just seems silly with how long we have to wait just to get one little gear improvement, that only crafters/gatherers can use. We're basically gated to gear up ourselves, forget about anyone else.

[Fenral]

I agree, and in addition to that, I feel the weekly cap is just way too low. We're already gated in so many other ways - mats being one of them - it just seems silly with how long we have to wait just to get one little gear improvement, that only crafters/gatherers can use. We're basically gated to gear up ourselves, forget about anyone else.

That's precisely the point of the cap, unfortunately. Gear yourself, then gear others. They're trying their damnedest to suppress the ability of those five people (you know, them) on a given server who can guarantee HQ anything at a cost that lets them sell just low enough suppress others from getting in on the market. The problem is that they've unintentionally hamstrung the people who actually do want to specialize, even though that's the playstyle they wanted to encourage.

The current cap and gear prices put it in line with the DoW/DoM gearing restrictions, which only let you focus on one Job at a time, which, as someone who only ever focused on a few of the many available crafters and gatherers, is fine with me. The idea is that different players will start off gearing different classes, and the inability to do everything on your own right off the bat will foster cooperation with other players, increasing the rate at which gil circulates, ultimately creating a better economy for everyone. It's a sound concept, but it's been implemented into an economy that was already too badly damaged for this kind of system to work as intended at launch.

By leaving the cap as-is, the overall speed of gearing stays the same as for combat classes, but by increasing the rate at which players can obtain red scrips towards that cap, it becomes a lot less punishing for specialists like myself to hit cap. The weekly cap also impacts the rate at which the materials for the crafted AF hit the market, which in the short term means that the people who already have the melded shared gear to acquire those materials now can sell at ridiculous prices to the extremely small minority that can afford them right now. Those players, however, still lack the gear required to guarantee HQ anything, so they are taking a rather sizeable risk by even attempting those recipes now. Ideally, they fail more than they succeed, putting tens of millions of gil (per attempt) back into circulation in the process and making them much more cautious of future attempts.

In a month or so, when players who skipped melding gear to go straight to red scrip gear have finally geared up enough on one class to spend red scrips on favors instead, the amount of materials on the market will increase dramatically, driving prices down to levels that will allow the less-wealthy red-scrip-geared crafters to buy them as well. That will increase the availability of crafted AF2, allowing people limited by the weekly cap to start gearing their other crafting classes in addition to their mains. There will even be a (small) market for the NQ crafted AF2, as it can simply be glamoured over the red-scrip version to make that same gear dyeable.


Tl;dr: the idea is that for the current omnicrafters to stay omnicrafters, they will need to buy things from other people, increasing the rate at which gil circulates, ultimately allowing more players to participate in the economy in smaller roles. It's also no longer possible to become an omnicrafter in a day.



...Or at least, I'm sure that's how this system was pitched to Yoshida. Time will tell if it really has a positive impact on the economy.