The Ascians can't make up their minds when it comes to the WoL...(Major Spoilers)

[Exodus-E]

First they wanted us dead (2.0).
Then they wanted us to become stronger by defeating empowered Primals (2.1-2.5).
And now that we've grown too strong, we're a threat to them again (3.0)?

The hell? Is there something I'm missing here?

Because if they really wanted us gone, then why not finish us off whenever we were vulnerable?

I know that all of this could've been traced back to both, Nabriales and Lahabrea (being the arrogant bastards that they are) vastly underestimating us out of their own contempt of the "children of man" at large, but really...they kind of brought it upon themselves.

And now it seems that they're desperate enough as to call upon someone called the "Warrior of Darkness".
Yeah, let's see how well that will work out for them...

[Fenral]

I'm beginning to think we're simply being Chris Carter-ed and the whole "overarching story" is being made up as they go.

[Frederick22]

What you might not seeing it is that apperantly each Ascian is doing his own way to try to revive zodiark. Apperantly they arent a good team. Lahabreah failed twice just beacuse he saw us as buggs. Nabriales failed too beacuse he went rogue and he acted not seeing the consequences of his risk. Aperantly Edibudus warned Lahabreah couple times what he should not do but for what happend he didnt listen. Now 3 "inmortal" adcians are dead. Lets see what Edibudus does to solve the mess XD

[Sandkat]

I think they have a grand plan to release Zodiark but some of them have different views on how to make that happen. Even the Ascian's have an Ego.

There are 13 Black Robe Ascian + Elidibus. We have only met 3 of them though. All 3 of which are now dead.

Loghrif
Mitron
Emet-Selch
Pashtarot
Fandaniel
Altima - Seen in a Cut scene
Halmarut
Nabriales - Dead
Igeyorhm - Dead
Deudalaphon
Emmerololth - Seen in a Cut scene
Lahabrea - Dead

Im not convinced that Elidibus is even an Ascian to begin with.

[Alberel]

I think they have a grand plan to release Zodiark but some of them have different views on how to make that happen. Even the Ascian's have an Ego.

There are 13 Black Robe Ascian + Elidibus. We have only met 3 of them though. All 3 of which are now dead.

Loghrif
Mitron
Emet-Selch
Pashtarot
Fandaniel
Altima - Seen in a Cut scene
Halmarut
Nabriales - Dead
Igeyorhm - Dead
Deudalaphon
Emmerololth - Seen in a Cut scene
Lahabrea - Dead

Im not convinced that Elidibus is even an Ascian to begin with.

I think you have the right of it though I would argue it may be a little early to write Lahabrea off as 'dead' at this point. Despite what Thordan says about primals consuming aether he doesn't actually consume Lahabrea; instead Nidhogg's eye embedded in the sword absorbs Lahabrea. It may be possible that he is merely trapped within the eye and it would require the destruction of the eye to actually kill him.

[Mysteltain]

I think you have the right of it though I would argue it may be a little early to write Lahabrea off as 'dead' at this point. Despite what Thordan says about primals consuming aether he doesn't actually consume Lahabrea; instead Nidhogg's eye embedded in the sword absorbs Lahabrea. It may be possible that he is merely trapped within the eye and it would require the destruction of the eye to actually kill him.

I agree, I don't think Lahabrea is necessarily dead, just trapped in the Eye, much as we did to Nabriales and Igeyorhm (the former of which almost broke out of the white auracite, despite his weakened state). That said, I'm getting the feeling that he could escape the moment someone uses the Eye as a way to release the aether within (like the Aetheric Ram or blade of light), and by that point he may have absorbed a fair amount amount of Nidhogg's aether. Of course, that's assuming aether in the Eyes is stored over time and not simply consumed.

[WyrahFhurrst]

I agree, I don't think Lahabrea is necessarily dead, just trapped in the Eye, much as we did to Nabriales and Igeyorhm (the former of which almost broke out of the white auracite, despite his weakened state). That said, I'm getting the feeling that he could escape the moment someone uses the Eye as a way to release the aether within (like the Aetheric Ram or blade of light), and by that point he may have absorbed a fair amount amount of Nidhogg's aether. Of course, that's assuming aether in the Eyes is stored over time and not simply consumed.

That'd entirely depend on us plucking the eye back out of Nidhogg's head again. He did reassume his full form, after all.

[Alberel]

I agree, I don't think Lahabrea is necessarily dead, just trapped in the Eye, much as we did to Nabriales and Igeyorhm (the former of which almost broke out of the white auracite, despite his weakened state). That said, I'm getting the feeling that he could escape the moment someone uses the Eye as a way to release the aether within (like the Aetheric Ram or blade of light), and by that point he may have absorbed a fair amount amount of Nidhogg's aether. Of course, that's assuming aether in the Eyes is stored over time and not simply consumed.

If he is indeed still alive within the eye then there are several different ways they could go with the character from here. I imagine we'll be pursuing Nidhogg in an attempt to free Estinien; it would be an interesting twist to have us rescue him only to discover Lahabrea hitched a ride in his body on the way out.

"Ascian of the 12th Chalice," "Ascian of the 12th Sword," "Ascian of the 12th Pentacle," and "Ascian of the 12th Wand." They're the lowest ranked of the Ascians (we've fought members of that rank before) and their ranking convention follows Tarot cards of the Minor Arcana.

To expand on this, each 'house' of lesser Ascians each follow one of the primary ones. Those of the 12th Chalice are confirmed to follow Lahabrea in the SMN 60 quest. We were also informed that they do not have the ability to retreat to the Ascian HQ between worlds and they cannot possess living hosts (only dead ones) which means killing a lesser Ascian with no corpses around to switch to will actually kill them permanently.

[Devtek]

I think they have a grand plan to release Zodiark but some of them have different views on how to make that happen. Even the Ascian's have an Ego.

There are 13 Black Robe Ascian + Elidibus. We have only met 3 of them though. All 3 of which are now dead.

Loghrif
Mitron
Emet-Selch
Pashtarot
Fandaniel
Altima - Seen in a Cut scene
Halmarut
Nabriales - Dead
Igeyorhm - Dead
Deudalaphon
Emmerololth - Seen in a Cut scene
Lahabrea - Dead

Im not convinced that Elidibus is even an Ascian to begin with.

There are more black robed ones with generic names in the Summoner 50-60 quests. Blah Blah of the 12th Chalice etc. Killed 5 of them in the 60 quest alone (although probably not dead dead). Team Rocket of the bad guys.

[WyrahFhurrst]

There are more black robed ones with generic names in the Summoner 50-60 quests. Blah Blah of the 12th Chalice etc. Killed 5 of them in the 60 quest alone (although probably not dead dead). Team Rocket of the bad guys.

"Ascian of the 12th Chalice," "Ascian of the 12th Sword," "Ascian of the 12th Pentacle," and "Ascian of the 12th Wand." They're the lowest ranked of the Ascians (we've fought members of that rank before) and their ranking convention follows Tarot cards of the Minor Arcana.