Do the dev's actually play this game?

[Symbiant]

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The new classes have not been out that long. If they are broke they will fix them.

We can nit pick all day about tanks but, they are not all meant to be the same. You point out that DRK has worse cd's than pld but, you did not mention that drk has better hate control on single and group targets.

I have seen some really good drk's so I will leave it up to the bad boy drk to defend the class

I have seen plenty of ast either keep the same hps as whm / sch or out preform them.

Bard is doing pretty good imo I use one as my secondary and I have no issues keep up with the rest of the dps. In fact on most df / pf groups I am typically top dog unless I get a beast dps. Either way I know quite a few better brds then my self. If I am holding well in all my parties including static I would assume the people who know what they are doing are doing just fine.

[Assirra]

The new classes have not been out that long. If they are broke they will fix them.
We can nit pick all day about tanks but, they are not all meant to be the same. You point out that DRK has worse cd's than pld but, you did not mention that drk has better hate control on single and group targets.

I have seen some really good drk's so I will leave it up to the bad boy drk to defend the class

I have seen plenty of ast either keep the same hps as whm / sch or out preform them.

Bard is doing pretty good imo I use one as my secondary and I have no issues keep up with the rest of the dps. In fact on most df / pf groups I am typically top dog unless I get a beast dps. Either way I know quite a few better brds then my self. If I am holding well in all my parties including static I would assume the people who know what they are doing are doing just fine.

So you only not play a different version of WoW but also of FFXIV.

Unless the AST were better players, that is simply IMPOSSIBLE. They simply have less potency in their heals then the other 2

[Hundred]

These forums are so melodramatic I feel like I'm watching a latin soap opera.
Any moment now it will be revealed that WHM is cheating on SCH with MNK after having had DRG's baby and DRG is WHM's cousin who is already married to PLD.

[Kallera]

Some of the community managers do play too.

Are the devs end game gloryhogs? Probably not. And that's a facet of game design. A game developer that tweaks a game so that it is difficult for him to beat loses the perspective of how hard it will be for the players. (In theory)

[AsteriaStarfall]

However, this pales in comparison to AST, who straight up under performs compared to WHM and SCH. The shields are weaker, the heals are weaker, and I am not even going to touch utility or dps which is abysmal.

I sense you do not play AST as your main. Since AST is my main, i have had no problems keeping up with WHM or SCH. Playing AST is a little bit more RNG, and also about knowing when to use your CDs appropriately. Bad player playing AST, going to have a really bad time keeping up. Have a good player play AST, then be ready for some amazing heals.

[Maero]

I sense you do not play AST as your main. Since AST is my main, i have had no problems keeping up with WHM or SCH. Playing AST is a little bit more RNG, and also about knowing when to use your CDs appropriately. Bad player playing AST, going to have a really bad time keeping up. Have a good player play AST, then be ready for some amazing heals.

I must agree 100% here, while my astro is barely levelled i know plenty of people and have done countless dungeons with Astrologians and they are totally fine

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

I sense you do not play AST as your main. Since AST is my main, i have had no problems keeping up with WHM or SCH. Playing AST is a little bit more RNG, and also about knowing when to use your CDs appropriately. Bad player playing AST, going to have a really bad time keeping up. Have a good player play AST, then be ready for some amazing heals.

This post is also directed at anyone else who thinks AST is fine.
For casual content, yes it performs.
For real end game, NO, it does not. There's a lot of threads talking about the topic already.... my main is AST and it's not performing well for Savage. Also, quoting another post, many people play telephone with anything that's been said. Yes, FEW ASTs have beaten A1 Savage but not without a lot of struggle. FEW, not "many" and honestly, it's probably mostly because there were little to no mistakes, because it is very very hard to make up for mistakes as an AST in comparison to WHM (which I also main since 2.0). So yes, the OP is right about AST underperforming in comparison to WHM/SCH.

If you do not do Savage, don't say AST is fine. Say "AST is fine for casual content, don't know about real end game though." so there is less misunderstandings/misleads and for SE to actually be able to know what needs to be addressed in order to fix the job.

[Ayuhra]

What WoW does, and it does it better than Final Fantasy XIV or just about any other MMO on the market, is feel good.

The game is smooth, the combat is usually fluid and responsive, the UI is simple, it just plays very, very well. That's a huge deal so obviously people will enjoy the game that plays the best.


The problem it has is...everything else, really. WoW when it had its most subscribers was absolutely fantastic but over the last several years it's been dwindling as the more creative minds behind it move on to other projects and the more Activision side takes the reigns to just nickle and dime the playerbase into nothing.

Warlords of Draenor is a skinner box wearing an MMO's skin and that's all it is. It's sad that content droughts are actually expected there now. With the new raid out and no news of a new expansion yet people are EXPECTING Hellfire Citadel's patch to last a year with nothing new to shake things up. Blizzard is apparently fine with the massive spikes in user numbers so they let these droughts happen, promising they are working on something great. Then that something comes out and is not so great.

I think WoW is an important monster look at for any MMO. At its best it's been amazing but at its worst it is hollow, shallow and depressing. If FFXIV is taking notes (and I can tell it is) it should learn from WoW's strengths but also its failures. That means not doing many of the things WoW's been doing since Cataclysm.

Right now, comparing Heavensward to Warlords, Heavensward doesn't play quite as well but is still the better experience by far.

[Valoiz]

I love AST the way it is, if healing potency is too important for u then play on Nocturnal and u will have the same potency cure/ cure II / medica I / succor have. Is challeging and fun.

Same for BRD / MCH, they do a little less DPS but buff the other players performance. Not all the jobs NEED/can to have the same difcult level to be fine.

PD: Only Celestial OP may need a little buff, so far i save it to have 5 extra sec of refresh.

[Mhikail]

play on Nocturnal and u will have the same potency cure/ cure II / medica I / succor have. Is challeging and fun.

You must've FATE grinded to AST or never ever read Nocturnals tool tip or even bothered using that stance.
It has to be one of those three.

Tested - Ilvl 179.
Diur stance: Bene I = 2509.
Noct: Bene I = 2670.

Diur Bene II: 4280.
Noct Bene II: 4487

Weak shields don't save no one and runs out your MP. No thanks. That stance needs a big ol' buff.
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LOL no troubles healing ANY of the casual content atm, including normal Alex and Ex primal, i dont do statics but many AST clear A1 savage ATM while the SCH take care of DPS.

Simple mats: Cure I (potency 400) Benefic I (cure potency 380 + 5% = 399 / Nocturnal) Also lv up mostly on dungeon and only had problems when tanks sucks.

So which do you use more.
Dirunal or Noct? Because why would you ever switch out for
2 Regen's for weak shields? The 5% potency is nothing, at all. There's much more to it.