Tomestones and Roulette's

[Naunet]

it's totally unfair to get XP and the same number of Tomes as someone who isn't getting XP.

i don't think this change is needed.

How is this unfair? You've got no need for XP if you go in on a capped character, so...

no, that's not safe to assume. some people are sacrificing not leveling another class so they can get more tomes. that doesn't mean you can say they have no interest in leveling other classes. they just prioritize their time differently. it's blatantly unfair for 2 people to do the same dungeon and one person gets a lot more rewards than the other. the world isn't always fair but the OP specifically asked for us to comment on the fairness of his proposal.

The point of this change would be that you don't have to sacrifice not leveling another class to get tomes. You wouldn't be forced to choose. You could have both.

[SendohJin]

How is this unfair? You've got no need for XP if you go in on a capped character, so...



The point of this change would be that you don't have to sacrifice not leveling another class to get tomes. You wouldn't be forced to choose. You could have both.

you answered your own question. after the change 1 person can have both, the other person can't have both, that by definition is unfair.

Player 1 enters at Lv 60, gets 100 Law 5 Eso
Player 2 enters at Lv 50, gets 100 Law 5 Eso, 300k XP.

Player 2 got more, that's unfair.

to make it fair, you should give Player 1 an XP scroll that grants 300k XP that they can use on another class.

[Kyuuen]

you answered your own question. after the change 1 person can have both, the other person can't have both, that by definition is unfair.

Player 1 enters at Lv 60, gets 100 Law 5 Eso
Player 2 enters at Lv 50, gets 100 Law 5 Eso, 300k XP.

Player 2 got more, that's unfair.

to make it fair, you should give Player 1 an XP scroll that grants 300k XP that they can use on another class.

Well couldn't that then become an additional perk in having a level 60 character? Nothing is preventing anyone from reaching 60 and also enjoying this bonus, if it were to be added that is.

I'm not talking about low levels. I'm talking about as a person who has a max level, it shouldn't matter if we run content on that max level class or on a lower level alt, we should still get the tomes so that we can still gear our mains up even if we aren't going into that roulette on the lvl 60. Sacrificing one for the other kind of thing isn't really needed imo as the whole point of roulette was to give an incentive to run older content and for most people tomes are usually the better incentive.

As it stands High lvl roulette is pretty much useless. It gives poetics/Law and no esoterics nor does it give EXP inside the dungeons (just bonus). So as a person who may want to level may not find the roulette bonus that attractive and may just skip it, especially if they're only interested in esoterics. (like myself)

I honestly don't see an issue with allowing you to either choose between exp/tomes or giving both...but that's just me.

If I'm understanding you correctly, in that if you have a Max class on one character then you should be able to receive tomestone on a entirely separate character, that would be an imbalance. If you mean to have a Max class then simply switch to another class then to level and be rewarded for, then disregard my previous statement.

[SendohJin]

Well couldn't that then become an additional perk in having a level 60 character? Nothing is preventing anyone from reaching 60 and also enjoying this bonus, if it were to be added that is.

it's not additional. it's how the change would have to be made if fairness is the concern.

i don't care for the change at all. my problem is 5 Esoterics are too low to get Lv 60 people to do Leveling Roulette.

[Ranen]

No. This encourages different play styles. Want to level? You can do that roulette and get exp. You want tomes? Suck it up with your better gear, and help the people who are leveling. Why are people so opposed to having to make a choice?

How is that changing play style? Changing play style would be adding WM/GB to a class... Either way you take it you'd be helping people to level, only difference is you'd be levelling an alt yourself while still getting tomes or you'd be 60 still getting tomes but losing out on levelling an alt.

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Then that would be player's 1 problem for not going into the roulette on an alt class. Either he has no interested in levelling an alt class or just doesn't care about the exp. Either way it's not unfair because it's the player's choice.

[SendohJin]

Then that would be player's 1 problem for not going into the roulette on an alt class. Either he has no interested in levelling an alt class or just doesn't care about the exp. Either way it's not unfair because it's the player's choice.

so what is wrong with the current system as is?

Player 1 enters at Lv 60, gets 100 Law 5 Eso
Player 2 enters at Lv 50, gets 300k XP

By your logic "Then that would be player's 2 problem for not going into the roulette on his Lv 60 class. Either he has no more use for Tomes or just doesn't care about the Tomes. Either way it's not unfair because it's the player's choice."

why change anything?

[Naunet]

you answered your own question. after the change 1 person can have both, the other person can't have both, that by definition is unfair.

Player 1 enters at Lv 60, gets 100 Law 5 Eso
Player 2 enters at Lv 50, gets 100 Law 5 Eso, 300k XP.

Player 2 got more, that's unfair.

to make it fair, you should give Player 1 an XP scroll that grants 300k XP that they can use on another class.

Uhm... But if Player 1 has another class they're leveling, they can just enter on that class, like Player 2 did?

[NoahArks]

Agreeing with the OP. I want to level my drg to 60, but I also want to gear up, cause I'm only going to fall behind even more. Now I have to play the roulettes and then fate, and fate leveling is the one thing I hate the most out of this game...

[SendohJin]

so level your DRG with Low Level and if you want more tomes do Fractal/Neverreap/Alex without roulette afterwards.

[ErzaScarlet77]

maybe half the tomestones and all the exp if the classs isnt 60
but definitely not the same amount of tomestones as if you were running it with 60