What Collective Unconcious could be

[Rajeme]

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I really like your idea as well. And the idea of the more people inside, the more potency it increases, kinda like how Essential dignity work, but in term of number of people.

In addition, I also don't like the fact that we cannot move within the duration. I would very much prefer if they adjust so:
-CU has bigger range of effect, like 1.5-2 times bigger.
-You can move and use skills inside the bubble, but you cannot move out. If you move outside, the spell is broken.

[AlexanderThorolund]

I don't like the ideas that you should be able to move when using CU. In my opinion it really gives the skill visual flare that you can't. I like the idea though that it gets stronger the more people are inside the bubble, it's like more people submitting their minds to you the more powerful you get. I love it!!

[Volsung]

Either raise potencies and percents for both sects if we have to channel. Or give it a unique effect. Like hp bubble+heal like war thrill of battle and put a random card effect on all players that enter.

Because atm having to channel something equal to sacred soil in strength is a very bad down step.

[Violin]

Or just combine both the effects from both the sects (cure+hot+reduced damage) and just slightly lower the potency. The only time I have ever used CU is when I know incoming AoE damage is next in the boss's rotation and would normally pop it a few seconds ahead of time. Just makes sense that an ability like that would need to compensate for the lack of mobility.

[ckc22]

I like the idea but the one for nocturnal is WAY op - like could easily cheese mechanics with it.

[Violin]

I like the idea but the one for nocturnal is WAY op - like could easily cheese mechanics with it.

Lowered potency could possibly resolve the cheese aspect of it, that and lowering the duration so you actually have to time it correctly to be of any use.

[AlexanderThorolund]

What if on top of all this you got auto-raise while inside the bubble!? WHAT!?

[Blueyes]

My take on Collective Unconscious:

Creates a wheel of fortune around the caster. Effect granted to members upon entry differs depending on active Sect. Can only be executed when a Sect is active. Effect ends upon using another action or moving. (This is all unchanged.)

Duration: 6s

Diurnal Sect Effect: Grants party members in range Diurnal Unconscious
Diurnal Unconscious: Regen. 200 Potency. 12s Duraction

Nocturnal Sect Effect: Grants party members in range Nocturnal Unconscious
Noturnal Unconscious: Damage taken is reduced by 10%. 12s Duraction

The idea is pretty straight forward. It would still be a channeled effect, but it would only need to be maintained long enough for party members to enter and receive the buff effect. At that point it can be cancelled, but the buff would remain on affected party members for its full duration. Effect duration subject to change.

[Lastelli]

My take on Collective Unconscious...

Interesting Diurnal Effect.
Noct Effect however is still too weak. Let me elaborate.
Consider what a SCH has to mitigate damage versus what an AST in nocturnal sect has.
SCH: adlo+deployment tactics, sacred soil (and you can move while using it), virus, possibly E4E and, in some circumstances, even fey illumination for a more powerful adlo shield and even covenant.
Noct AST: aspected helios (succor), CU (a harder to use version of sacred soil), disable (weak virus) and that's it. I'm not even going to consider expanded bole, that would be just sad and in order to have it with a reasonable probability you would have to save spread for a bole and throw away some cards, making AST role as a buffer totally useless.

[Kaelri]

My take on Collective Unconscious:

Duration: 6s

Diurnal Sect Effect: Grants party members in range Diurnal Unconscious
Diurnal Unconscious: Regen. 200 Potency. 12s Duraction

I personally think Collective Unconscious in Noct Sect is fine the way it is, but I think something along the lines of your idea for Diurnal CU is needed to make the spell usable in Diurnal Sect as a proper CD.

To preserve the current feel of it being more powerful the longer you channel it, I think it should grant a 12s duration 200 potency regen on the first tick, but continue to refresh duration to 12s every tick until they leave the bubble. That way it is a powerful cd to aid us in aoe healing, keeps the flavor of the ability as is, but also allows it the potential to be even more useful the longer we maintain the channel.

PS. I also really just want to say that I hope the devs seriously look at changing how this spell works in Diurnal Sect..the situations that its used in Noct Sect (bubble/shield up for boss ultimate etc.) doesn't have any movement going on, in most cases a Diurnal AST is main healing and wants the regen effect, they "have" to move after one tick, or people are moving out of it to go attack the boss, or an aoe telegraph appears a split second later, or the tank gets a big hit and you have to stop channeling to do something else. this spells potential is wasted in roughly 95% of situations, it has to be changed..