Clemency and Interruptions

[Xenosan]

If combo'd Royal Authority added a proc for Clemency for reduced/no MP cost and/or shorter cast time.

Would improve the use of it in both roles. And the bonus is on RA - the lvl60 job ability - which has a Tool Tip description that looks a little lacking in text.

One more thing, I don't understand why Clemency breaks the combo when its being casted?

This; making it not break combos is probably more reasonable.

[pandabearcat]

If anything, making it break combos makes the most sense.

It is literally a skill you use, on GCD that isn't part of your combo.

Similar to how stun breaks your combo, and shield toss.

Kinda defeats the purpose of combos if it didn't.

I like the proc idea but am unsure if it is necessary. It is already a useful tool and I use it on every fight when there is downtime.

It doesn't have to be useful while you are MT to make it useful.

[Faytte]

If every buster is a magical buster, Shelltron really does not do much of anything for us.

Ravannah was nice for a paladin mitigation wise, but i think it still feels better on a warrior?

Raw Intuition is up every 90 seconds for 100% 20 reduction (not as good as bulwark doing 28% but, also lasts 5 more seconds, and has half the cooldown, can be up for most parriable busters).

IB for every predicted buster is a rampart on demand

Vengeance up for the buster and the attack that follows so, its duration does matter to that degree. 50 auto reflect is not ignorable in things like A2. Its also up three times over a six minute period vs sentinel being up twice.

So what else do we got? Clemency doesnt help in the moment, unless you are an OT---will be interupted, 3 second cast leaves you prone. After the fact its fine but again, its slow, and likely you will be healed before it matters. Equilibrium is an instant clemency that is boosted during a berzerk. Same six minute fight you can throw a equilibrium up six times---how often are you able to cast clemency on yourself in the course of a fight, or even another tank?

Honestly I think item paladins need, aside from better aggro and yes, a gcd (not ogcd) based clemency, is sheltrons block should work vs magic. If so much content is going to be magic and paladins 'damage' is lowered intentionally due to their 'defensive spec' which does not apply against much of the new raid, then I'm..not sure....

The class seems to boil down to hallowed ground.

[Phoenicia]

Snip.

I have a suggestion for you, yeah?

Since WAR feels so much better than PLD at the moment, Why not just play WAR? If one day SE decides to buff PLD, which I do not see happening any time in the foreseeable future, you can pick it up again.

[Faytte]

I have a suggestion for you, yeah?

Since WAR feels so much better than PLD at the moment, Why not just play WAR? If one day SE decides to buff PLD, which I do not see happening any time in the foreseeable future, you can pick it up again.

Already ahead of you (check my load stone?). I leveled all the tanks to 60 and have gotten them all their ravana weapons and will be taking War into Savage. That said, I -really wanted- to be a Paladin. I like the idea of the class, i like the theory behind it--but not the reality.


The reality is really just kinda sad.
Enmity Gen? Worst of the three
Aoe Damage? Laughable
Single Target? Worst of the three
Utility? Quite high but realistically, if your tanking, you don't have much breathing room. Clemency nicely underlines this as being an OT action. I didnt pick Paladin to OT (especially given their damage).
Ability to 'Tank' in Offensive Stance: The worst of the bunch as the extra damage of sword oath is never mulitplied against extra enmity attack modifiers, which the 'stance' buffs of Wars and Darks both enjoy.
Cooldowns? The break out items are made largely irrelevant by the content. When attacks you want to not kill you cannot be blocked, the shield/shelltron/bulwark are doing next to nothing for you (maybe helping on some autos if the boss happens to do that like in A1, but this is not the scary damage your healers fear).

[Phoenicia]

Snip.

I honestly think you are looking at a glass half empty here. Paladin has its upsides and is fine where it is right now despite those negatives you mention (I also believe they are exaggerated.... aside of the enmity and AoE damage lol).

If PLD had glaring problems it wouldn't be a static main tank in all the world first groups out there right now.

Don't get this the wrong way, but I honestly think paladins are princesses that worry about their #1 spot the whole time. You have to accept that the other tanks HAVE to outshine you at something.

There was an outcry about WAR buffs in 2.1 because PLDs feared WARs would take their spot as MTs. Yet, PLD was (still is) the default MT despite the math proving WAR MT, PLD OT effectiveness.

All three tanks are VERY viable and unless a tank gets excluded (meaning if you ONLY have 1 job leveled and then get refused to do content because you're that job) there is no reason to cry about it.

[RayneBoemir]

I.E when the healers have already healed you and you dont need the extra healing? KK.

Healers need to heal other people you know. If they are busy healing someone else you can help them. I have used Clemency various times to heal others and myself preventing deaths in the group.

[Reynhart]

It is literally a skill you use, on GCD that isn't part of your combo.

Similar to how stun breaks your combo, and shield toss.

Shield Swipe doesn't break combos.
Flash doesn't break combos.

Both are on GCD, one is a Weapon Skill, one is a Spell.

[Faytte]

Healers need to heal other people you know. If they are busy healing someone else you can help them. I have used Clemency various times to heal others and myself preventing deaths in the group.

/sees that they killed ravanna ex less than a week ago
/sigh

[pandabearcat]

Are you serious right now? Wow...

Not only enough to kill relevant content...gotta do it first day...cause you know, noone ever levels their tank class second. Or has to wait for their FC to get going.

Or simply doesn't want to try a certain fight for a bit...

Or maybe they simply took a while to down it. I guess that makes their opinions irrelevant. Please go and only post on your world first forums...it turns out these forums are actually for all players.