Can we please start thinking rationally again?

[Sakasa]

On that note I also see the same handful of individuals like yourself who rather put others down that try to promote productive conversation. But to each their own I guess..

Yeah! Not like when you chime in to attack someone specifically! Fight that oppression of free speech with attacks on individuals instead of the content in their post! Don't let your ideals be ideals! Just do it...

Teaming with other players is a zero sum game though. In order to progress your gear faster they are delaying their own progress. It doesn't actually speed anything up. And if someone cares enough to be able to make red scripts and gather them in the first place, why would they set themselves back 4-8 weeks just so you can look shinier faster?

Similar to how coke, animal fat, potash were all someone using their weekly cap battle tomes to put them on market? Also the fact that many people are not going to go for the top of the line gear until it is required so they will cash in knowing they can find someone to make it for them later at what now would be a cutthroat price. The system hasn't changed we just have an artifical gap instead of a time delay between patches. If your angry be angry I understand the system is lopsided it always was but it also is equally fair (punishing). The gil that people will use to bypass it is still a time sync on someone so time lost is the currency of the system.

Also I never remember this promise to kill omni crafters. Wasn't it only stated you would not have to be an omni crafter to progress? I swore that statement was intentionally used to point out how piece by piece was randomly required for masterbook 2 and byergot's Blessing was required to hq anything in masterbook 2 even with a perfect good and excellent pattern while using hq mats. Which is why the other byergot's was given to every class albiet weaker.

Esoterics simply take being a DoW/DoM to cap. Gatherer's Red Scrips simply take being a DoL to cap. Crafter's Red Scrips take Being a DoL/DoW/DoM/DoH to cap, and that just feels overwhelming. I am trying to be rational but unless I am missing something I do not see how this works for a casual crafter.

You are right Gunnar the grind has been pushed on to you to proceed because it is time locked so you loose the ability to proceed the less time you have comitted. But as a casual crafter do you feel it is required for you to cap every week? Because for the crafted items tokens (purified coke, etc.) you can get 9 per week if you capped but as a casual crafter getting 2-4 sets would be more reasonable. So I was just wondering is it the road to full completion or just the requirement per week?

[Joronas]

Coke, Animal Fat, Potash and the rest could be obtained from drops, purchased with the lower-grade tomestones, and so on. ANYONE who hit 50 could get into that. They weren't even the top-tier dungeons. It was a gate, but it wasn't a bad one. It meant that in smaller companies, the people who didn't want to craft/gather could still participate, and there had been a use for old tomes.

This current system is restrictive by nature. The red scrips require mastery III; that might not be as big a hurdle as Master II had been .. but it's still there. If you aren't 60 with the mastery book? You're just out of luck. And as for not having to be an omnicrafter to progress? I'd rather be an omnicrafter then have to deal with that specialist system. The mats require a red-scrip crafter AND red-scrip gatherer now; that cuts the market participants down even further. How is THAT a good idea? The omnicrafter statements included anyone who wasn't was being locked out of the market.

[Jerichai]

Yeah! Not like when you chime in to attack someone specifically! Fight that oppression of free speech with attacks on individuals instead of the content in their post! Don't let your ideals be ideals!.

Awe, you tried, here's a gold star for effort.

The internet, where calling out people's bad attitudes is considered attacking them...

[Sakasa]

Awe, you tried, here's a gold star for effort.

The internet, where calling out people's bad attitudes is considered attacking them...

Actually by definition it is. Its more your passive agressive response that is glazed with a "superior position" where you are both the same while you are pointing out their attitude with your own. And on the internet where you are both the same by the fact you and them are all intangible people that are just as easily a video rental clerk as you are a physicist. You are allowed to call them out and at the same time allowed to be called out as well.

[Jerichai]

Actually by definition it is. Its more your passive agressive response that is glazed with a "superior position" where you are both the same while you are pointing out their attitude with your own. And on the internet where you are both the same by the fact you and them are all intangible people that are just as easily a video rental clerk as you are a physicist. You are allowed to call them out and at the same time allowed to be called out as well.

I've struck a nerve it seems.

[Snugglebutt]

I'd rather be an omnicrafter then have to deal with that specialist system. The mats require a red-scrip crafter AND red-scrip gatherer now; that cuts the market participants down even further. How is THAT a good idea? The omnicrafter statements included anyone who wasn't was being locked out of the market.

The specialist system is not going away, if anything SE will continue to enhance the specialist system. The irony is your complaining in your comment about requiring a gatherer and crafter yet being an omni-crafter requires leveling of every crafting class plus most omni-crafters also have leveled their gathering classes too. Also not a single person is being locked out of the market.

[Snugglebutt]

I've struck a nerve it seems.

He is pointing out your being hypocritical, he is right.

[PotatoWafflez]

You are right Gunnar the grind has been pushed on to you to proceed because it is time locked so you loose the ability to proceed the less time you have comitted. But as a casual crafter do you feel it is required for you to cap every week? Because for the crafted items tokens (purified coke, etc.) you can get 9 per week if you capped but as a casual crafter getting 2-4 sets would be more reasonable. So I was just wondering is it the road to full completion or just the requirement per week?

I'm having similar issues to Gunnar and I will say that in my case just getting the mats for blue scripts is a headache because you can't really prep them a head of time as a casual player and if the hand in didn't change from day to day I would be 100% happier because I could just stock pile the mats I will need when I get a chance and can craft them at my leisure but as it stands I either have to gather and craft as I go which is just annoying or I have to stock pile lots of different mats which is costly in time/gil/space, I would be even more happier if it used a token system like the artisan gear because I'm also then not wasting mats on items that could be used by players if not collectables.

TLDR: The mats required do not justify the "reward" for someone who is trying to get into crafting which from what I gather was the whole point of the system.
There is already a cap why do they need to make it a bigger grind for those with less resources.

[Jerichai]

He is pointing out your being hypocritical, he is right.

If calling people out for derailing constructive conversations with personal attacks/dismissive attitudes makes me a hypocrite, then I will gladly wear that title.

[Joronas]

Yes, they are being locked out Snugglebutt. In order to get the mats .. you need to get a 60 crafter, well geared, able to do the 1* items who is ALSO a red-scrip level miner AND botanist (it takes favor items from both to get a mat). That is not 'inclusive'. That is not 'good for those just starting out'. That doesn't 'make it possible to get into endgame crafting without levelling multiple classes'. All that does is put even more power into the hands of a small number of people.

And since what the defenders of the system seem to be saying is that people will either "sell the red scrip mats" or "buy the mats and craft the new gear" .... well, since the people who can buy the mats are really restricted, just how isn't that level of wall locking people out?