Can we please start thinking rationally again?

[Jerichai]

Difficult doesn't mean it's an unreasonable expectation though. I get that people are upset, and I totally respect that... however I think it is being blow way out of proportion. People can't even decide what they are upset about.. first it's because it will take too long to gear everything so it is pointed out that you can team up with other players.. but they don't want to do that either. This all just reminds me of when my daughter was little and would say she was hungry and when I said I would make her a sandwich and she would turn her nose up at it. Ask her what she wanted? Ice cream. Well.. that's now how that worked and that's not how this works.. people can want something all they want but if it has been decided they aren't going to get it.. then that is that.

Claims to respect people's opinion. Equates voicing complaints/concerns to a child throwing a tantrum. Hmm...yeah okay.

[Hanmerreborn]

Words

Teaming with other players is a zero sum game though. In order to progress your gear faster they are delaying their own progress. It doesn't actually speed anything up. And if someone cares enough to be able to make red scripts and gather them in the first place, why would they set themselves back 4-8 weeks just so you can look shinier faster?

This system only encourages RMT and people with alternate accounts, and benefits people with excessive gold at the cost of EVERYONE else.

The crafting in general flies in the face of everything we were told about specializations and HW in general about not needing "omnicrafters". Know what would make specializations worthwhile and actually be consistent with "killing omnicrafters"? If instead of needing a leather material that requires 50 scripts, a weaver material that requires 50 scripts, and a gold smith item that requires 50 scripts, it only required a single <insert chosen class here> item that required 150 scripts, if we're going to keep with the pointless gating.

What we were told and what we're shown is at complete opposite ends of each other.

It's ****ing crafting. Not a hardcore new raid. Crafting a cool looking outfit to glamor.

OH WAIT THEY DIDN'T EVEN GET THAT RIGHT


Ask yourself. Who does this script thing hurt the most? Who does it help the most?

Then ask yourself. Isn't that the exact opposite of what it should be?

[Aeyis]

Perhaps in the short term, but the interesting thing about markets for new content is that prices drop over time. I fully expect to be able to buy the mats back a week or two later for a profit.

And this is where you are wrong. Thavnarian silk was 4-5m on my server since tuesday. Why did it change now? Only because droprates were increased.
Because these items are in limited supply. Like the red scrip materials.
And their supply will be limited untill everyone is fully geared which will take far longer then a mere two weeks.

[Aeyis]

Selfishness, perhaps? They understandably want to be the first to get geared, and are possibly afraid that they'll be gypped if they give their stuff up so someone in that that someone won't return the favor after getting geared.

Im surprised, expected a better argument.


The reason why, is because gearing up now means you can no longer craf (of that tier of items), because doing so will set you back.

This is different from raiding, where you can enjoy it from the start.
You start with one boss available, and as you gear up you get more, untill not too long after starting with boss 1 you have access to enjoy all of them.


But by applying red scrips to everything; you are effectively preventing crafters to enjoy crafting, because they are limited. They can only craft or gear up.
Unlike raiding where you can gear up while also raiding.

Doesnt make sense to apply the same system to both, because they are inherently different from each other.

[TitaniaZero]

Ya Red Scrips are the Estorics for the Crafters.

Yet, we get no drops. Our own attempt to get better gear is still locked on Red Scrips. So a Raider still has it better, because while the drop rate may suck and Estorics are there for that issue, its still superior to the Crafter/Gather's 0%.

[Nanga]

This system only encourages RMT

It really does, unfortunately.

[PirateCat]

And this is where you are wrong. Thavnarian silk was 4-5m on my server since tuesday. Why did it change now? Only because droprates were increased.
Because these items are in limited supply. Like the red scrip materials.
And their supply will be limited untill everyone is fully geared which will take far longer then a mere two weeks.

And yet somehow I sold a Thavnairian silk early and saw the price drop by more than 1M thereafter, well before they increased the drop rate. Servers are different.

Maybe the "couple of weeks" thing is optimistic, but the point still stands. This is going to be a staggered thing. The price isn't going to hold forever until "everyone" is fully geared, it's going to drop when the bleeding-edge most hardcore crafters on the server are fully geared. Not as much as it will when a larger number of people are geared, sure, but it'll drop. And it'll be before the point where the time gate allows one player to have all the mats normally.

[Snugglebutt]

Rationally, it would be better off if all the crafters stopped for a month or two. At least then there is some small chance that the system would be redone in some way that isn't atrociously weighted towards supercompanies and omnicrafters.

I plan to continue crafting/leveling my crafters and gatherers and continue buying and selling materials just to spite you and everyone else who says such hyperbolic and melodramatic things like crafting is dead. Your free to do whatever you want with your own character on the other hand and while the cat is away the mouse shall play...plus profit from your absence.

I have noticed many of these complaint threads are filled with the same dozen or so people so I expect the amount of people upset about this are not anywhere near the level others might make out and as such while I expect will be some changes to red scripts sooner or later it will not change SE's stance on trying to force specializations and people working together to create things like they have to do now with regards to FC airships and such.

[Aeyis]

I have noticed many of these complaint threads are filled with the same dozen or so people so I expect the amount of people upset about this are not anywhere near the level others might make out and as such while I expect will be some changes to red scripts sooner or later it will not change SE's stance on trying to force specializations and people working together to create things like they have to do now with regards to FC airships and such.

Most people dont post on the forums. And many that do will avoid discussion threads on the official forums, because there are a good many posters that are like ''the turian councilor'' in the way they argue.

So im not sure if counting the number of people posting is a good estimate.

[Jerichai]

I have noticed many of these complaint threads are filled with the same dozen or so people so I expect the amount of people upset about this are not anywhere near the level others might make out and as such while I expect will be some changes to red scripts sooner or later it will not change SE's stance on trying to force specializations and people working together to create things like they have to do now with regards to FC airships and such.

On that note I also see the same handful of individuals like yourself who rather put others down that try to promote productive conversation. But to each their own I guess..