Can we please start thinking rationally again?

[Joronas]

I'd prefer to credit the devs with the insight to go '10 cross class skills, 8 classes, the 50 skills will all be taken', thanks.

You suggested an equivalency between crafters and raiders in how they enjoy content, consume content and what their goals are. That, in my opinion, is incorrect.

If what you meant to suggest was that 'this is the game, play it that way' -- then you would have a point. To which I indicate the general trends on the forum that crafting is dead, a waste of time, and so on and so forth. The comparison itself is akin to going "Oh, they're planning on removing group queue for raids, people are beating Alexander and Alexander Savage far too easily with their premades.. guess we have to play it that way now instead".

Rationally, it would be better off if all the crafters stopped for a month or two. At least then there is some small chance that the system would be redone in some way that isn't atrociously weighted towards supercompanies and omnicrafters.

[Seyb]

At best they will let you "upgrade" your sets at a slightly reduced amount of scripts but I am leaning more towards they will just move red scripts to where blue scripts are and then add green scripts or something with 8 new sets and mats and the whole cycles starts over again only this time its worse because all the top tier crafters know its coming and are 100% ready for it.

RIOT!!

No, really. If you are right, then I see where the hate is coming from. But I REALLY hope you are wrong. I can see the blue and red scrips staying for all of 3.X. This way it is a wall to climb and after that you can enjoy crafting as it used to be for a loong time. I just don't see them replace gear that takes so much effort this easily.

[Aramina]

You suggested an equivalency between crafters and raiders in how they enjoy content, consume content and what their goals are. That, in my opinion, is incorrect.

That is not even remotely close to what I suggested. I know plain text is sometimes hard to understand the meaning of, however, you are flat out inventing things in my words that not even a hint of actually existed in what I wrote.

I shall take my leave now since it seems apparent that you have decided you know my meanings better than I do... and never mind the fact that your chosen interpretation exists only within the confines of your mind.

edit: Just in case you got me mixed up (hopefully?) with a different poster. What I said was: "Why shouldn't I be able to do all the raiding I want? Because the game is not designed that way." You don't really see anything about how they enjoy content, consume content, or what their goals are... do you?

[Joronas]

Seyb, I think you're half right. Except I don't think it's a wall. I think it's a Sisyphian Task. EVERYTHING requires scrip mats now. No new recipes avoid them.

[PotatoWafflez]

RIOT!!

No, really. If you are right, then I see where the hate is coming from. But I REALLY hope you are wrong. I can see the blue and red scrips staying for all of 3.X. This way it is a wall to climb and after that you can enjoy crafting as it used to be for a loong time. I just don't see them replace gear that takes so much effort this easily.

I would hope I'm wrong too and yet they do the exact same thing with DoW/M so there really isn't much to say they wont, except for the long time it took to add the previous crafting upgrades but that wasn't based on a tome like system so who knows how that will play into it.

[Jade-Nephrite]

I really don't understand why the DoW / DoM gear is also behind the Red Script Wall, I can deal with 22 weeks to get the gear for all 8 of my crafting classes and then 480 x 5 = 2400 / 450 = an additional 6 weeks to get all 8 Specializations, I mean do I have to give up one of my 3 Souls to get another? That seems more broken than anything else.

By the time Crafters are making the new DoW / DoM gear it will be well outdated, even now it's outdated so what are all the crafters going to craft? Potions / Meals? If we're limited on the materials / scripts to make our new gear what are we crafting in the meantime?

[PirateCat]

This is back a couple of pages, but I want to address this point.

How exactly will casual crafters even obtain red scrips, tho?

For all that "casual" is thrown around as an epithet, there are different levels of casual. There are more people than (a) those who are going to seize every opportunity to gear an omnicrafter as quickly as possible and (b) those who aren't even close to 1 star (assuming you need to make things at this tier for red scrips.)

My plan for Thursday will be to grind scrips and acquire mats to sell immediately. Why? Because I don't have hundreds of millions of gil to sink into getting all the sets right away, but I'm happy to get a slice of the gil the people who do are throwing around. Does that set me back for progression? Perhaps in the short term, but the interesting thing about markets for new content is that prices drop over time. I fully expect to be able to buy the mats back a week or two later for a profit.

[Thrustie]

Honest question: Why is it completely unreasonable to expect groups of crafters to work together to accomplish a goal?

The same reason it's difficult to organize a raid team or get a DF group to clear steps of faith. Coordination and timing. And for some it might go against the grain of why they began crafting in the first place. It was a bit of a side game that you could do individually on your own schedule. For some of us it's a nice break from the rigidity of raiding. I don't want to organize a fleet of gatherers and crafters to accomplish a goal. Honestly I'm less worked up about this than most. I'll keep crafting because I enjoy it and because I get a positive feeling when I can help friends out. The Gil was a nice bonus but, hey, the crafting meta can change at any time. I'm just not going to diminish the feelings of those who do feel disheartened by this because I can empathize with them. There's no getting around how tedious they've made this in a clumsy attempt at balance. And I'm a big SE fanboy so I don't say that lightly.

[Netherblood]

You will never stop dedicated omnicrafters, people will just level multiple characters and have 3 specializations on each and get red scrips on each character each week. I thought the whole point of FF14 was that you can have everything on one character instead of having to make alt characters. The whole reason I got into crafting in this game is because omnicrafting existed. As of right now I'll get bare minimum to provide our raid with consumables and never touch crafting again.

[Aramina]

Difficult doesn't mean it's an unreasonable expectation though. I get that people are upset, and I totally respect that... however I think it is being blow way out of proportion. People can't even decide what they are upset about.. first it's because it will take too long to gear everything so it is pointed out that you can team up with other players.. but they don't want to do that either. This all just reminds me of when my daughter was little and would say she was hungry and when I said I would make her a sandwich and she would turn her nose up at it. Ask her what she wanted? Ice cream. Well.. that's now how that worked and that's not how this works.. people can want something all they want but if it has been decided they aren't going to get it.. then that is that.