Can we please start thinking rationally again?

[Aramina]

This just in, there are people playing the game that aren't in your FC. Branch out.

edit: After reading more replies I see that is, in fact, due to greed and not at all about the "it is going to take us sooooo long to gear" that people are hiding behind. Carry on then.

[Flinx]

Lol at these people. Just buy the mats the you need and sell the mats that you produce. That's the primary goal of the new system. It doesn't allow an individual to dominate the market easily.

[PotatoWafflez]

Lol at these people. Just buy the mats the you need and sell the mats that you produce. That's the primary goal of the new system. It doesn't allow an individual to dominate the market easily.

Except that it does. Because those with all the gil can ignore the entire system, as the crafted versions are better, so they don't even need to waste scripts on gear and they can buy any extra mats they want, and anyone who has the time to be the top of the top already has alts in place since the specialist system was announced.

[RyDarrick]

This just in, there are people playing the game that aren't in your FC. Branch out.

Thats not rly what I'm interested in. Its stupid to say how people have to play. Everyone should play with his own "I have fun playing this game" way and should be able to reach every goal

[Aramina]

Thats not rly what I'm interested in. Its stupid to say how people have to play. Everyone should play with his own "I have fun playing this game" way and should be able to reach every goal

You can play how you want, however, you will never (and should never) be able to attain every goal in the game as a solo player.

[Joronas]

You can play how you want, however, you will never (and should never) be able to attain every goal in the game as a solo player.

Why not?



No, I'm actually serious there. Why shouldn't you be able to do all the crafting you want by yourself? Why should you be forced into a crafting guild as an "apprentice" and have to "pay your dues" gearing up the people who joined before you (small hyperbole -- that's one of the outcomes I can see of this particular mess)? Why should you have to walk away from the group you really enjoy working with because you're the only crafter? Or just one of the only few (not enough to support the new system).

Or, put another way, why should the only people who do well in this system be the ones who have 100million or more gil to get the drop on everyone else? Some of us are rather more modest in wealth AND not all that fond of dealing with large numbers of people. Are we now supposed to be irrelevant?

[Aramina]

Why shouldn't you be able to do all the crafting you want by yourself?

Why shouldn't I be able to do all the raiding I want? Because the game is not designed that way. The same answer applies. I get that you could/did before, but I think it has become abundantly clear that was an unintended path by the devs. Yes, some people will still do it (and despite popular opinion, even those without much money like myself), because you can't FORCE someone on a particular path, however you can make damn sure that path is long and/or expensive... and well... they have, right?

[Joronas]

Because Crafting and Raiding are DIFFERENT.

Raiders like the challenge of raiding (presumably) and enjoy the victory and progression and the New Shiny Gear. Been there, done that, still doing it. Got a few of the t-shirts.

Crafters ... like CRAFTING. Gatherers ... like GATHERING.

Don't treat them the same, because they aren't. They aren't even in the same ball park. Any comparison between crafters and raiders is doomed to be irrelevant. They aren't the same. It's not even an apples to oranges thing.


Also ... It has not become abundantly clear that omnicrafters were unintended. Because I would say it's fundamentally clear that they WERE intended. Otherwise the 50 skills would not be cross-class.

[RyDarrick]

You can play how you want, however, you will never (and should never) be able to attain every goal in the game as a solo player.

I know this is a mp game and there are things you cant do solo. But crafting was always something I was able to manage solo and I had a lot of dun with it. But know its like SE kicked my ass and its hard to have fun playing crafters the way I preferd and loved.
I wouldnt have any problems with specializing on a few crafters if I wouldnt need always mats from other classes. Thats just my opinion.

[RyDarrick]

Why not?



No, I'm actually serious there. Why shouldn't you be able to do all the crafting you want by yourself? Why should you be forced into a crafting guild as an "apprentice" and have to "pay your dues" gearing up the people who joined before you (small hyperbole -- that's one of the outcomes I can see of this particular mess)? Why should you have to walk away from the group you really enjoy working with because you're the only crafter? Or just one of the only few (not enough to support the new system).

Or, put another way, why should the only people who do well in this system be the ones who have 100million or more gil to get the drop on everyone else? Some of us are rather more modest in wealth AND not all that fond of dealing with large numbers of people. Are we now supposed to be irrelevant?

Totally agree