Can we please start thinking rationally again?

[Jaeifer]

Every class, with the possible exception of CUL, needs materials produced by other crafts. This does NOT mean it is necessary to level every class.

Yes, materials produced by other classes are ridiculously expensive - but the thing is, YOUR class ALSO has materials needed by other classes, and chances are good that those materials ALSO sell at ridiculous prices. Craft and sell those, use the money to buy the expensive materials you need.

I'll be leveling every class to 60, but not because I feel obligated to, but rather because I enjoy leveling crafting classes. Prior to Heavensward, leveling other classes was obligatory, not because of the crafting materials they could produce, but because of the cross-class skills that they offered. In Heavensward, no class has any must-have cross-class skills. You can safely leave them at 50, sell materials your class produces at ludicrous prices, and use the cash to buy the materials other classes are selling for ludicrous prices.

Well put, that was something that I wanted to bring up myself.

People tend to think a bit one-dimensional and say it's extremely expensive to get materials because other crafts make them or that it's required to level up the other craft on the same level to advance.
But that's absolutely not true, we're tradesmen, ask each other for comissions - bring the materials for one of the mats from other trades, chip in a bit of gil for a commission fee since the other guy making you the material also wants to make a bit of profit and you'll have your material you need high likely still infinitely cheaper than market board and the other guy got some money too.

Case Example: Scale Glue

Scale Glue used to be like 50k a piece, while the mats for it are perhaps 2k gil worth of monster scales.
Lv60 ALCs with stats to reliably HQ them were scarce, so I had people come to me, I'd ask them for perhaps 5k per craft commission fee and I'd make them 30 Scale Glues HQ or howevermany they wanted. They got their 30 Scale Glues for 210k gil instead of 1.5 mil gil - I've made 150k gil profit - everybody's happy.

I'm an omnicrafter myself, I know the system will still live on and might see a popularity increase, but people showed me that it's possible to keep at it without becoming an omni themselves.
You don't have to be an entrepeneur for it - just think a bit different sometimes.

[gzuscry]

Not everybody is there for money, i dont care how mucn other are making. If they want specializations then the craft itself should be mostly independent, not like now. As of now everthings so interdependent that those who where omnicrafting in 2.X will still be omnicrafting but casuals are so heaviliy gated and screwed. Casuals moslty dont care about that quick gil anyway. If spirit of individuality is killed and they preach all that shit about relying on others this becomes a second job where you pay the money to slave away for another and not a game to enjoy. If there is no serious changes in thursday patch i guarantee that crafting will become more elite then ever. 60 n star end products will cost absurd amounts of gill and are just there for glamour, no casual gamer will EVER enjoy the product of that craft. I laughed very hard to see many gil buyers running around in that 4 star crafted gear, because they are the real market anyway in will stay that way in 3.x if nothing is changed in approach to crafting.

I would accept crafting as an elite art if the produts of their laibour could be mass produced in very large quantities. No wonder ishargards poor despise the rich elezens. Leathercraftings quest line doesnt live upt to reality in the game, its funny that now also game itself is hypocrite in in its own lore.

[CyrusBryant]

This whole system is laughable and pushing me towards putting in the towel. I'm unable to raid due to my schedule. Therefore, I spend my time crafting and gathering for my FC and picking up jobs through PF. Now, this aspect of the game is being torn apart. I don't see how omni-crafting is this much of a problem that all of us have to suffer. The price of mats are going to beyond affordable so those of us who don't have an iron bank are going to fall behind. On a side note, If I wanted to be limited and not able to do any craft at any time I would play WoW. At least then I could play a game with a decent PvP system. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[GunnarWolfram]

Here is my rational thought http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...red-by-DoW-DoM

[Causality]

My only grievance is the basic 60 quest behind the mastercraft 3 script wall. 50 quests did not require mastercraft book 1 so I was a bit blindsided when I got to that point

[Talia_Hailwind]

I like the idea that different players will be better at different crafts.

What upsets me is that they are not balanced at all in terms of a usefulness, carpenter is a complete joke no one with half a brain will specialist in it and that goes for alchemist in desynthesis too! It's a nightmare to level and no usefulness at the end of it!!!

[Alexiell]

I like the idea that different players will be better at different crafts.

What upsets me is that they are not balanced at all in terms of a usefulness, carpenter is a complete joke no one with half a brain will specialist in it and that goes for alchemist in desynthesis too! It's a nightmare to level and no usefulness at the end of it!!!

are you sure? CRP crafts most crafter accessoires and they are the only new BIS items that are shared by all classes and cannot be bought with scrips... think about it.

[Talia_Hailwind]

are you sure? CRP crafts most crafter accessoires and they are the only new BIS items that are shared by all classes and cannot be bought with scrips... think about it.

Ok did not know that,

Alchemy desynthesis is still terrible though, kinda salty after they made it a once the only way for tremor Demi's and then made goldsmith able to, cause let's face it, everyone has gsm desynthesis.

[Aeyis]

I'm not usually one to tell people to drop their diapers but the amount of seperate QQ, "ermuhgerd crafting iz ded" threads and the likes are becoming really annoying to see - especially given these few circumstances.

If you were informed about Heavensward, you'd have seen this coming...

... from miles away.

How so? They said they would kill omnicrafters, but this updates screws over people that only level one (or a few) classes the most. Have you even seen the material requirements for crafting 2*?

If you would properly inform yourself, you would know 66~ weeks to be a lie.

Sound advice. You should consider taking it yourself. The 66 weeks was aimed at those that opt for the ''vendor purchased'' scrips gear. I love how you single this number out, most other numbers used were around the 23-24 weeks mark.
Which is an accurate amount of time if you craft everything with your own materials.

Oh no, perfect melds require Tier 5 melds/overmelds!

Well of course they would, otherwise Tier V crafting materia would have no actual market in the game for the effort it may or may not be to spiritbond for them (we'll only know tomorrow about that one I guess.) and we don't even know if absolute perfect melds are necessary. I've already stated above that the 170 HQ gear can be made better than the i180 without even using Tier 5 materia at all.

Without materia however, they are worse then fully melded 150 (tools and to some extend chest aside) , which is equipment you will need to make HQ 170.

You conviently ignore the point why people are having issues with tier V pentamelding: There are no Tier V materias. Because to get these you need to convert these same i170 items.

they want you to work on your gear for your specialized trades for now and will give you plenty of recipes to profit from it later down the line. Specialize yourself as the game intended or if you want to stay omni - make it a group effort! Ask your FC or static to help you, help them in return once actual crafts roll out

You honestly did no research on this at all did you? Others cannot help you; they need those precious scrip locked materials for getting their own equipment.

- and stop letting the heat of the moment blind you. I'll probably get a lot of flak for this but it feels like something that needs to be said.

Flak is to be expected if you make a post full of baseless arguments. Expect major flak when you do this while also saying ''do more research''; when you clearly did little yourself.

Thank you for your post. I agree with you. And it won't take nearly as long as everyone thinks. It was the same with the sealants. Casual crafters will earn a lot of money by selling the red scrips materials, so hard core crafters can craft everything in a few weeks. Look forward to it.

How exactly will casual crafters even obtain red scrips, tho?

People tend to think a bit one-dimensional and say it's extremely expensive to get materials because other crafts make them or that it's required to level up the other craft on the same level to advance.

Im not sure what to respond to your example. Its just too.....one dimensional? I will try anyway.


Scale glue is crafted from materials that can be farmed at will. Currently every single 2* equipment requires several of items that can only be made by other crafters, and obtained by high level (well equiped) gatherers.

All of these items are scrip limited.


How do you plan on trading your '' own type of materials'' when you can only obtain a limited amount of those per week and you need those for your own crafts as well?


Im sorry but all of your posts just read like you dont have a clue about the new 2* recipes or red scrips.




Here's a real example to give you an idea about 2* crafting:

(Body) Gemmasters Gown: <WVR>

-2x Astral Silk (2*) <WVR>
---2x Crawler Silk
---5x Moonbeam Silk [50 RED SCRIPS]
---1x Astral Soil (1*) <ALC>
-------2x Seventh Heaven (1*) <BOT> (FOLKLORE)
-------2x Astral Moraine (1*) <MIN> (FOLKLORE)
-1x Griffon Leather (2*)<LTW>
---2x Griffon Hide
---1x Red Alumen (1*) <MIN> (FOLKLORE)
---1x Wattle Bark (1*) <BOT> (FOLKLORE)
---5x Odorless Fat [50 RED SCRIPS]
-1x Aurum Regis Ingot (2*) <GSM>
---2x Aurum Regis Ore (1*) <MIN> (FOLKLORE)
---1x Aurum Regis Nugget
---1x Violet Quartz (1*) <MIN> (FOLKLORE)
---5x Raziqcoat [50 RED SCRIPS]
-3x Crawler Silk
-3X Landborne Aethersand <MIN> (8/8 rarity)
-4x FCIII (DESYNTH)

The full list of materials needed for the GSM new chestpiece. It requires ALC, WVR, LTW, GSM 2* items. It requires 200 red scrips. It requires grade 8/8 reduced collectibles. It requires 1* gathering materials....from 5 different folklore tomes (that is 5x4950 blue scrips, or 24750 blue scrips)

And just for good measure it also requires some random 56+ materials and some FCIII. Because obviously the rest of the materials just arent enough.


Please enlighten me how anyone that is a casual crafter with just one crafter class (or similar) at 60 is going to be able to make this item if they do not have millions of gil?

[PirateCat]

This is back a couple of pages, but I want to address this point.

How exactly will casual crafters even obtain red scrips, tho?

For all that "casual" is thrown around as an epithet, there are different levels of casual. There are more people than (a) those who are going to seize every opportunity to gear an omnicrafter as quickly as possible and (b) those who aren't even close to 1 star (assuming you need to make things at this tier for red scrips.)

My plan for Thursday will be to grind scrips and acquire mats to sell immediately. Why? Because I don't have hundreds of millions of gil to sink into getting all the sets right away, but I'm happy to get a slice of the gil the people who do are throwing around. Does that set me back for progression? Perhaps in the short term, but the interesting thing about markets for new content is that prices drop over time. I fully expect to be able to buy the mats back a week or two later for a profit.