BIS EX makes no sense

[randysquirrel]

Sorry to say, but bis ex only has a handful of fairly simple mechanics; don't get on the back until your debuff has worn off, don't hit the wrong snake, kill/don't kill the bubbles etc

the rest is just dps rotation

I can only assume you're not meeting the dps check because people are dying because they are ignoring the few mechanics above, or they just don't know their jobs well enough, the answer to both being you need to be more selective in who you group with.

Many cleared in i145 gear

[PetiteMalFleur]

I've joined a handful of groups to help. Only one ever cleared. The rest start bickering after one wipe then instead of going back to pf to replace they all drop and disbanded. Now I just wasted an hour of my time trying to help a group of randoms who were clearly not serious about killing it.

I personally enjoy helping progression groups but at this point I only help if someone asks me. Not SE's fault people give up so easily.

As for the dps checks, they are tuned for lower item level than what most have at this point. Your groups are just bad dps of they can't break the carapace.

[Geist]

I've joined a handful of groups to help. Only one ever cleared. The rest start bickering after one wipe then instead of going back to pf to replace they all drop and disbanded. Now I just wasted an hour of my time trying to help a group of randoms who were clearly not serious about killing it.I personally enjoy helping progression groups but at this point I only help if someone asks me. Not SE's fault people give up so easily.

As for the dps checks, they are tuned for lower item level than what most have at this point. Your groups are just bad dps of they can't break the carapace.

I agree with Viva here, OP, you should be ready to invest some patience in this endeavor: it makes a victory so much sweeter.

While I'm still looking towards Bismarck EX ingame, FC friends who've already been there and lived to tell the tale confirmed that it is simply a matter of mechanics and DPS quota. So, try working towards a solution - think of the carapace as a warning light you've got to pass, and tell your party to take the various phases seriously (overgearing shouldn't be an excuse for slacking out and put the whole team into danger).

Soldier on then, you might be surprised at the results.

[Syfer22]

If you think Bismarck is bad now, then Ravana will give you fits. I've spent weekends where "farm parties" in PFs end up being as bad or worse than "learning parties."

It feels like finding a group that can clear it successfully is like finding a diamond in a turd. Oh well... Only thing that gets me now is that I just got my Rav Ex weapons this past week, and now esoterics outclass it completely.

[DkDerek]

3) Not get it done. It's not an option for any serious player.

Join a FC and be an actual serious player?

[repoe]

I cleared this with all members going on, the many times I've ran afterwards to help friends if your Killin all adds far enough everyone jump on, if not splitting the group works best and the ppl not getting on help finish off the adds before next wave

[Neophyte]

I cleared this with all members going on, the many times I've ran afterwards to help friends if your Killin all adds far enough everyone jump on, if not splitting the group works best and the ppl not getting on help finish off the adds before next wave

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SMN and SCH may jump off earlier than others the first time. Most times i got not RS back alreay when Bismark is first pulled (in last phase).
So I only stay 'bout half the time on back and therefor full time the second time he's pulled, all CDs are available and debuff worn off already.

[Nadirah]

The biggest issue with Bismarck is healing it. DPS is easy unless you have people that either suck or can't hit the right snake.

[Plo8383]

No issues with heals. I'm a whm. I've healed it with another whm, with a sch and with an astrologian. Never any issues from that side. The weather parts can be a bit tougher to heal/more demanding if people aren't all following the mechs but they rarely will ever die. Maybe if I were still ilvl 130, then it would likely be another story. I likely wouldn't be able to keep up with ''unfortunate mistakes'' that cost much more healing....but as it is now, it's not a problem. Even while on the carapace while one healer is on at the end, one healer can easily heal it while the other dps's since all the damage is concentrated in one very small area. Any healer no matter the class can keep up with that (at least now for sure-I cannot speak for the event with much lower gear)

[Whiteroom]

Snippy snip

You would think so, but then you have those runs where a lot of people seem to take unnecessary damage. For example, your response reminds me of every healers attitude in A1 today, cocky and this is a piece of cake, yet every group seemed to be suicidal. And in every group, where they healer didn't want to pick a side to heal, because we "have it so easy" in there, we failed, which was three runs straight. In contrast, my A4 groups were all one shotting it. You are just getting a lot of those A1 type groups in BEX right now because a lot of the more competent players have beat it and moved on. Now I find a lot of "The Carried" in there. The ones who have been carried in the past, so they think they are great, and rage when it doesn't work.

Sorry, that above part was a response to your one right below my previous.

As far as WHM goes, I do a little dps, not a lot. This is because my groups always seem to take a lot of damage during the dps check phase, and if they can't clear the caripice on the first go, without healer help, they aren't clearing the check. I just use triple cream coffee as I have a stack of it. Really they shouldn't have to lb the adds, and be able to use that on the back. Right now, everyone can easily be ilvl 180, and if the dps can't dps fast enough at that level, its no fault or responsibility of the healers to make up for them being to lazy or inept to use a decent rotation. While I would agree that at that level, a healer has more time to dps, it is also less necessary for them to do it for a clear, it only helps to make the run a bit faster.