Astro in savage

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Your DPS is under geared if you require healer DPS to make the DPS check.
Yoshi has stated that healer DPS is not taken into account when tunning the fights.

As for sch being heal/DPS that goes to show me you have no understanding of what a sch does or is.
Sch is ultimately in the end heal/damage reduction, if you can't see that go back to whm or dps

It is threads like these where I wish she made cleric's stance like last stances can't use in battle.

What the hell are you talking about.

We are discussing progression content, of course we are "undergeared" - that is the whole point of progression.

Also no, it appears it is you who has no understanding of how to optimize SCH if you ignore the dps it can dish out.

Also no, Yoshida never said that in regards to Savage progression.

Also your last sentence makes no logical sense whatsoever.

[Nadirah]

Also no, Yoshida never said that in regards to Savage progression.
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Actually, he never stated a difficulty when he said that.

He mentioned that groups use healer DPS to push content when undergeared.

I'm betting that Savage A1 is designed for solid 190 gear across the board. *That* is the point in which you won't need healer DPS for it.

Each floor is also likely to have a higher gear level it's aimed for.

If you guys were at the gear level the content was designed for, you wouldn't need the healers' DPS.

[justinjarjar]

Your DPS is under geared if you require healer DPS to make the DPS check.
Yoshi has stated that healer DPS is not taken into account when tunning the fights.

As for sch being heal/DPS that goes to show me you have no understanding of what a sch does or is.
Sch is ultimately in the end heal/damage reduction, if you can't see that go back to whm or dps

It is threads like these where I wish she made cleric's stance like last stances can't use in battle.

This has nothing to do with design philosophy, more of the information that SE will look at to finish balances. Fact one- SCH/WHM can clear savage, yes they are dpsing in phases that need it, yes they are mainly healing in phases that need it. Fact two- AST is still way under picked and many people find AST/WHM to be possible, but many still find WHM/SCH to be overwhelmingly easier to handle the fights. At this point we need to look at why and SCH ability to deal constant dps over an encounter with a WHM partner is an advantage period. AST has cards that are there to make up for lack of healing (and in turn now dps with a SCH or AST itself) which it is not. Regardless of if Yoshi is taking the dps number into account when "making" the raids (aka he is fine with healers dpsing he simply stated that he will not take healer dps into account when his team makes raids) he certainly cares that a job is not taken because of lack of dps.The only stance that is not changed in battle is AST sects. Sorry that people want to play and push the game to beat savage now and not in three weeks.

Sorry about seeming tough on it, but not having healers dps regardless of stance is a fantasy in high skill progression groups. As well as this for the most part (some people like to diverge a bit) is about looking at how ASTs are progressing and what problems they are hitting.

[Ghishlain]

So, uh, nice first post.. @_@

Your DPS is under geared if you require healer DPS to make the DPS check.
Yoshi has stated that healer DPS is not taken into account when tunning the fights.

FYI, we ARE under geared for Alex Savage and thus, yes, healing DPS is definitely most helpful to meet these DPS checks.

As for sch being heal/DPS that goes to show me you have no understanding of what a sch does or is.
Sch is ultimately in the end heal/damage reduction, if you can't see that go back to whm or dps

Badgering people on how to play their job on your very first post..

It is threads like these where I wish she made cleric's stance like last stances can't use in battle.

I hope not because I enjoy having OPTIONS in my playstyle - not punished because I can play better than most other healers thanks to Cleric Stance. I am actually a bit sad they renagged on AST being able to sect change in combat, but I can live with it.

So, in the end..

[Kietsu]

If they ignored healer DPS when balancing the raids, they didn't expect people to clear A1 this week.

[Parawill]

Congratulations, Staris and your raid group! That's an awesome feat to accomplish, and thank you so much for answering my questions--I really appreciate it (and I'm sure many others do too!) I'm guessing the "healing" issues I'm encountering is just a combination of both tanks and healers not expecting damage (and not popping CDs), and one (that I had to point out yesterday) was Blood for Blood being used when targets have. Aside from players eating mechanics, like you said, I did notice the few areas where you could just let HoTs top everyone off while you focus on healing prey targets & tanks.

Guess we just need to go in for a full lockout (and not have ISP issues) for some more experience. And totally going off tangent, but my goodness. I was so saddened and frustrated yesterday that we had to skip raid day and play "carry the D/C'ing Astrologian" on A2 Story Mode so I could get my weekly drop.

Oh oh oh! And on a side note, how are you liking the changes to Lightspeed?

[Lastelli]

@Staris
Congratz and thanks for the feedback! I'm interesed in your opinion about how well AST performs as opposed to WHM. If possible, try with WHM next week and let us know. Good luck for AS2!

[RichardButte]

Someone had an idea in another thread which I loved...

Give AST a third stance that would behave like cleric stance, except that it cannot be turned off in combat (just like how Diurn/Noct behave).

With the stance off, AST's heals would be in line with SCH/WHM and the cards would be where they are now (ie not terribly effective for the overall fight).

With the stance ON, AST's heals would be weaker, but the card buffs would be EXTREMELY potent.

Then, ASTs can choose between being a vanilla healer with mild buffs and a risky healer with amazing buffs. Right now, they're closer to weaker healer with mild buffs, and that needs to CHANGE...

[NorthernLadMSP]

Ooh I really like that idea!