Astro in savage

[Muahbec]

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My post was directed to some of the players i've seen in multiple threads including this one saying that AST needs only "one or two cooldown fixes" when it actually needs almost a rework.
To those playes who keep saying "learn how to play with it" when its not actually like that.
And to those players who feels like being carried almost the whole fight is ok.
And to be honest, i was not trying to look angry, i was trying to be comic actually, but it seems that i failed so i better just edit my post... >_>

[Leoimy]

at the current ilvl cap for people who are in eso/proto gear, astro/scholar is very very VERY difficult to pull off. it wont be until people are full eso that you'll maybe be seeing those pair really shine. but for now i think whm/scholar is a must have for a1s. its possible with astro/scholar but my goodness its hard lol. i mained astro with a whm healer and we didnt get past faust at all until i went scholar. astro is cool definitely in pvp but for undergeared in savage yea, go scholar for now and go back astro when you're a little higher ilvl. just a tad.

[Vlady]

If people go the route of using white mage until content is on semi farm mode then swap to astrologian that will signal to se that the astrologian is not weak at all. Just people prefer the raw healing of the white over the astrologian because it vibes the perception ofbeing able to compensate for more mistakes.

[Parawill]

If people go the route of using white mage until content is on semi farm mode then swap to astrologian that will signal to se that the astrologian is not weak at all.

The thing about farm mode though is that you start to accumulate more higher iLvL gear which improves both DPS, Defenses and healing output, which will make things easier. Astrologians aren't weak to the point where they can't clear current content (and as far as we know, AS1 and AS2), but they have difficulties doing so with their counterparts. Plus, farm mode means people have done progressing a, b and so on.

I'm pretty sure a lot of us aren't saying Astrologians are complete garbage. We just see that the class can use some tweaks here and there to make it a stronger class that can be on par with White Mage and Scholar. And by "on par" I don't mean heal like a Scholar or White Mage, but be within the same tier bracket. Y'know, same efficiency but different ways of going on about it.

On a side note, I do agree with you, Vlady, that the cards shouldn't be buffed to the point where Astrologians are favored over WHM and SCH, but the point is... WHM & SCH are preferred over AST at the moment because it's a safer choice for progression. Albeit the few individuals who have cleared AS1 & AS2 with Astrologian, the tiny player base is somewhat significant that the class presently unappealing to most (collectively across all world servers) in terms of progression. For side content? Do whatever you like.

EDIT: Wooh! 1% Wipe! Healing AS1 is not really an issue to me, but if I had access to another off-GCD heal or something to cover a 1GCD mistake... that would make things a lot easier. x_X

[DarkmoonVael]

If people go the route of using white mage until content is on semi farm mode then swap to astrologian that will signal to se that the astrologian is not weak at all. Just people prefer the raw healing of the white over the astrologian because it vibes the perception ofbeing able to compensate for more mistakes.

What you have just said actually means AST is underpowered. If people only use AST when they are overgeared and have already learned the fight, then there is clearly a problem with the class if it can't be used whilst progressing and learning the content.

[Vlady]

Not necessarily.Just means progression teams value the superior cooldowns of a white mage to help pushduring oh shot moments.

[DarkmoonVael]

Not necessarily.Just means progression teams value the superior cooldowns of a white mage to help pushduring oh shot moments.

Notice how you described white mage cooldowns as superior. This means that AST doesnt have this. So yes, my original stance is still the same.

[Akyio]

Even if we took all those cards away and gave AST permanent 10% dmg buff for entire party 24/7, that would still be not enough. We would still have some broken skills like time dilation in nocturnal stance, we would still have practically useless collective unconscious and still reasonable healing issues.

[Kerrigen]

Who cares about composition when farming content, really? I've seen CNJs in T5/9 when people had it on farm, all WAR runs, low-mans etc. It doesn't mean it's optimal or even good during progression, just that gear and experience give you enough wiggle room that you can go sub-optimal and still easily win.

Nothing to do with AST being on par with WHM and SCH, just like a CNJ is quite objectively not on par with WHM.

Nobody is saying AST is complete garbage. I speedrun expert dungeons and farm Alex normal and Ravana with it just fine, but SCH/WHM makes progression in Savage that much easier and it's what matters when it comes to balance.

[justinjarjar]

Ok, so there's a really big thread all about AST in the healer forum. It's 193 pages... o.O

In any case, it would appear that their main concern is the Cards. There's a lot of discussion on whether there's any point to them and how a lot of them aren't very useful.

"There's also debate on whether the class is too weak or not. Some claim it definitely is, others that it just seems like it is because people don't know how to use the job well. But there's a general consensus that the image of AST is that they are weak and that for difficult content, it's common for parties to want WHM or SCH instead because of the fear that AST might be too weak.
Finally, there's worry/complaint about AST MP problems. WHM and SCH have reliable ways to regain MP, but AST seems to run out of MP often.

All that being said, there is still a lot of positive posts saying they love the class, but would just like to see some improvements. And most agree that the job is viable, just tuned a little low."

Here is the JP community's take, defiantly similar to ours just seems that AST is a little under-powered and in turn not being taken to progression raids.