Astro in savage

[Muahbec]

The cards are overpowered in the idea presented above because you remove the "random" nature from the cards and can basically keep the best buff ....

Of course that would not be overpowered
Just look at this job, weak healing power, no healing cooldowns and not a huge healer presence like whm/sch thanks to our cards.
If we are going to exchange our healing power for buffs then we MUST at least be able to choose which buff to apply and WHEN to apply it.
I totally support the individual card skills idea.
AST should look more like a green mage and like a true buffer job.

[Flavionel]

As for me - I appreciate further buffs of AST, but in the same time I think AST is capable of current content aswell.

Cleared A1S\A2S on the first week, currently on the adds phase of A3 Savage. Healing setup is AST\SCH since my static thought that AST\WHM 'd be bad idea for many reasons(and I really didn't want to go back on my WHM). SCH mainly dpsing as much as possible(don't think he's doing any\too less than SCH with WHM's do, judging by numbers), at different phases of the fights so do I. Can't say that MP management with dpsing is too hard, BRD not using manasong overly often - just as with WHM\SCH pair.

As for A3 Savage - healing\dpsing isn't an issue too, there's just a bunch of more general problems.

The only thing bugs me - I don't know how much dps my group got from the cards( though, my direct dps is not any less than WHM's usually do in savages.

[tjw]

As for me - I appreciate further buffs of AST, but in the same time I think AST is capable of current content aswell.

No one is arguing against AST being INCAPABLE of clearing content. It's merely the fact that it is the least useful healer of the three and brings nothing to a party that a WHM and SCH haven't already, and in far superior form.

There is a difference between being capable and incapable, and then being optimal and sub-optimal. One implies that the job is broken beyond belief and unable to be used in any form of content. The other implies that the job is currently usable, but with inherent flaws that make it more of a liability compared to its sibling healers.

AST's situation is comparable to WAR's situation at the beginningof 2.0. Were there first week and world-first clears of coils with a WAR? Yes, there were. Did that mean it was up-to-par in terms of satisfying its role requirements adequately? No it wasn't. The same thing is happening with AST.

There's a reason why AST, out of all the jobs that have been tweaked in Heavensward, is still the only potential one undergoing changes and revision as feedback comes. BRD, MCH, BLM and DRK were essentially told by SE to 'gitgud' following their changes, and yet, SE have acknowledged that AST is still taking in feedback from forums as well as in-game. They haven't outright said 'we are changing AST', but it is the only job so far that I've seen that has had the 'future feedback' tagged onto it.

[Vlady]

No but all the rehashing the issue will only go so far.summoner threads were that way and even then it took over a year among half for the fixes to come in.

Plus the real question is how the Japanese counterparts ate faring.

[Asheilin]

I bruned ast to 50 at launch to main it; but by the time I hit Ravana hm I had noticed some of its failings. I decided to come back to AST after a few hotfixes, thinking it would get better. It got some fixes but really not enough. Now, I'm looking to get my healer to 60 having gone bard through story. I'm torn because I love AST look, and theory, but I've already done content at 54 that I KNOW I'd heal easier on my whm or sch; and that is sad.
So here I am, trying to decide which to go with AST or WHM, and as much as I wanna do AST I keep thinking I have to do WHM til AST has some type of help

I've gone 8 draws getting Spire / Ewer, including shuffles, and Royal Roading. I've had Draws were I got 3 Balance in a row. I've had tanks where I'd pray for a Bole; even saving them if I get one at the end of battle or when drawing between pulls, rather then trying for a Balance; even runs in which I only got 2 Bole throughout. I've spammed Benifict 2 to help undergeared/poor tanks alive on trash and bosses; thinking why did they potency nerf AST? [draw spear] really, that's not a reason. I've taken to going in Diurnal only as Nocturnal is not effective, even having whms in Ravana tell me to use Diurnal. Heavens knows you need to keep those hots up on the tank if you wanna have any chance to send out any dps and once done you're /still/ likely to have to spam heal them back up if ED is on cd again.

I read through the forums to see if I'm the issue or the job itself, and at the end there are a few MINOR things I can change but mostly, its AST needs help. I guess, what it comes down to, should I save AST a while longer and get whm up now or is there enough hope for AST that I should take it up next?

[Zentsa]

If you have fun playing AST than play it,its just a Game.
But if you had problems at Ravanna hm then maybe it was not cause AST is bad, you can heal the whole Fight alone as an AST without trouble.
I´ve a AST and WHM on 60 and from 50-60 it doesnt really matters which one you play, its easy as hell but i had more fun on AST.
Dont have any Problems with my AST, cleared Alex 1-4 (no savage) and Primaes (and yes i know the other Healer and he doesnt do everything alone ), ppl love my cards and i had never any problems with blaming me cause iam a AST
I say, play what you want, if AST need Buffs SE will do it, if you dont feel comfortable with AST play another class, there are enough

[Muahbec]

Like i've already said on another thread.
"AST is fine"
"Cards are fine"
"The healing is fine"
Sure, pretend like thats enough then.
The job is "fine" but that's absolutelly not enough for a healer job.
Having less potency in exchange for some buffs may work for DPS, but for a healer its completelly different.

[Zentsa]

Like i've already said on another thread.
"AST is fine"
"Cards are fine"
"The healing is fine"
Sure, pretend like thats enough then.
I hope AST players get completelly excluded from PFs by other players so maybe, you will wake up.
I hope SE releases a REALLY healing intensive fight/dungeon very soon and i will enjoy seeing ASTs being banned from parties. And replaced by WHMs and SCHs.
The job is "fine" but that's absolutelly not enough for a healer job.
OPEN.YOUR.EYES.

For what?
I have fun and no problem, so lol?
But its seems that players who are happy with AST are A) idiots or B)blind or C) happy cause they have no problems? (no c cant be)

[Muahbec]

For what?
I have fun and no problem, so lol?
But its seems that players who are happy with AST are A) idiots or B)blind or C) happy cause they have no problems? (no c cant be)

What? Ok ok.
There is a huge gap between having fun with a job even while knowing its problems and being blind or stupid.
I play AST too and i like playing with it i love the whole "time star mage" theme but i'm not blind, and i known that the job needs some work, its just that, some of the players i've seen keep acting like "pros" and put down any player who actually wants some work done to the job, saying that "they must learn how to play with it" " AST requires knowledge to be played" etc...
I never said that "ALL AST PLAYERS ARE STUPID AND BLIND"
i said that maybe something radical will need to occur so these players will notice that no "getting better" will fix the apparent job issues.

[Leiloni]

Like i've already said on another thread.
"AST is fine"
"Cards are fine"
"The healing is fine"
Sure, pretend like thats enough then.
I hope AST players get completelly excluded from PFs by other players so maybe, you will wake up.
I hope SE releases a REALLY healing intensive fight/dungeon very soon and i will enjoy seeing ASTs being banned from parties. And replaced by WHMs and SCHs.
The job is "fine" but that's absolutelly not enough for a healer job.
OPEN.YOUR.EYES.

Honestly who are you arguing with here? The vast majority of people on these forums - even those who say AST can clear current content and is "fine" to that extent - say that the class needs fixes to cards and healing cooldowns. There's one maybe two people who disagree with that. Everyone else is on the same page as you so no need for an angry post..... our eyes are all wide open.