Astro in savage

[Namiea]

I wanted to speak up and be yet another voice for the developers that supports the subject of AST needing a lot of work. Namely in MP management, "oh shoot" heals, card buffs being meaningful, both stances being meaningful, and shuffle not being able to draw the same card. There have been many great ideas and discussions in this very thread so, instead of re-stating everything, I liked all of the ideas here I thought would be an improvement in the right direction.

Thank you to all!

[Vlady]

I really wish people would stop throwing comments around like this; it adds nothing to the discussion. If you're going to make a comment like this, at least back it up with some sort of information, facts, or comparisons that are based on factual, accurate data.

AST buffs are largely just fluff; they really don't add anything substantial to a fight, especially since there's no real way to mitigate the RNG factor (besides Spread, which still relies on RNG drawing a card you want to use later). As the classes' core/unique mechanic, compared to SCH's faerie/aetherflow abilities or WHM's raw healing output, it's very lackluster, overcomplicated, and mostly irrelevant to any sort of real, applicable situation outside of a vacuum or sheet of paper.

Again, all of the buffs look lovely on paper, but when RNG is factored in during a scripted encounter, it falls short in actually delivering meaningful, reliable utility.

I love the idea of AST and the concept behind it, but it needs adjustments to be brought in line with SCH/WHM. Yes, it's fully capable of doing encounters, but so was WAR in 2.0; however, WAR was eventually balanced and tuned to be more in line with PLD. The same thing needs to happen with AST; even people currently clearing savage are saying that AST is more of a handicap/burden when compared to WHM/SCH, and those players are at the top of their game. What's going to happen when less-skilled players try to clear the same content with AST? They will run into more problems.

What discussion? People on astrologians have cleared all content at all levels and I hear complaint after complaint that is not warranted. Astrologians are versatile and powerful but yet people try to find straws to grasp at. All cards benefit the group in some manner regardless of range. The job is more complex because it requires you to coordinate with your dps to line up use of arrow and balance with their cooldowns for maximum effect. You have to pre prep the card you will know you need the most with draw and shuffle before the fight begins.

Despite it is easier to play on a computer then a Playstation 4 people still do it. Should you claim they are holding the static back and thus needs to either switch to a pc and if they dont be slammed for it? White Mage spells are only 4% ahead of astrologians in spell potency. Everyone who tries to argue with me presents the worst case scenario in regards that yes white mage heal slightly better then astrologians. Yes scholar provides more self dps then an astrologian. You yourself do not have the internal data of how well our cards when used properly improves the effectiveness of a group. Nocturnal is more powerful then you realize and this is still a new job that is gearing up. Cry wolf once the Alex savage runs are over and astrologians are not in the clearing. Synastry, lightspeed and Essential are very powerful abilities that do not make the astrologian weak. Just because we cannot burst heal on demand with the power of a white mage or self dps the level of scholar does not make or break an astrologian as a viable healer in all levels of the game.

There are 50 threads dedicated to how much people seem to hate astrologians at this point so 50+ threads of beating on a dead horse until SE themselves determine through their internal tests that Astrologian is a failure so adding to a discussion is sorta hypocritical after the 50th post of people wanting a job to be OP for the sake of OPness. You give them the strength of heals with a white mage or the offensive power of a scholar and well a new problem pops up. Astrologian is fine and provide what is needed for raiding.

[GideonHighmourn]

Despite it is easier to play on a computer then a Playstation 4 people still do it. Should you claim they are holding the static back and thus needs to either switch to a pc and if they dont be slammed for it?

Again, your inability to provide any meaningful discussion is proven. What does playing on a PS4 vs PC have anything to do with AST balance?

It's been said over and over, yet you still don't seem to grasp the concept: Just because the content is passable with AST, doesn't mean the class is balanced. SCH/WHM offer far more to a group than AST can in terms of healing cool downs and meaningful/reliable utility.

No one is saying AST is a "failure" or a "bad class" like you seem to claim (in every thread you post in), but rather see it as having a lot more potential and room to grow.

[Rewind]

Just wondering if anyone has taken a WHM/AST comp into A1 savage and cleared/close to enrage? Played SCH last week and were quite close to clearing but I'd still like to take AST out of the wood works and take it for a test run - Only downside is that it would be a new experience and may cause some new learning curves.

If you did go, was nocturnal efficient or did diurnal overpower it?

[DreamWeaver]

Think Vlady loves having an opinion that is opposite from everybody else:

Before HW was released, he was singing how WHMs are doomed and will be replaced by ASTs etc etc while the rest of us are trying our best to convince him WHMs are in a good place.
Ironically now that HW is released, while most of you are saying how ASTs require buffs etc etc, he's saying its all sunshine and rainbows over at ASTville.

Just something to consider if anyone of you wanna continue to have a discussion with him.

[DarkmoonVael]

Think Vlady loves having an opinion that is opposite from everybody else:

Before HW was released, he was singing how WHMs are doomed and will be replaced by ASTs etc etc while the rest of us are trying our best to convince him WHMs are in a good place.
Ironically now that HW is released, while most of you are saying how ASTs require buffs etc etc, he's saying its all sunshine and rainbows over at ASTville.

Just something to consider if anyone of you wanna continue to have a discussion with him.

And to add to this, always the use of egregious exeggeration represented as facts when it it always little other than an (ill-informed) opinion, that when questioned, is never ever ever ever backed up by facts.

It worries me that the devs will fall under the pressure of a vocal minority instead of waiting and collecting data on how many people play astrologian actively.

AST is not in a good place at the moment, it is in a far worse place than WAR was in 2.0 before that class had to have a complete overhaul. It can not compete against WHM or SCH for a raid slot at the moment as a healer. There are lots of arguments going on that the potencies are slightly lower, therefore the healing throughput is about the same. However, consider into this equation that a SCH has healing buffs, a fairy and major mitigation and healing utility throughput with aetherflow abilities. Likewise the WHM has healing boosting cooldowns and 4 oGCD healing abilities. AST is not in a good place as a healer right now, and claiming that its a vocal minority that wants changes is an absolute joke. Looking at the forums dismisses this stand point in an instant. Vocal minority =/= the majority of people. In this majority of people wanting changes, i see some of the most skilled healers in the game. I have not seen one skilled, progression raid healer on the forums or in game ever say that AST is in a good place right now and doesnt need changed.

[Vlady]

White got stronger single target heals and I move on. Stange isnt it. Come on balmung and gladly show you these mysterious astro healers in savage you seem to cannot find. But I'm actually fine with backing what I say. The astro is capable of healing all content in the game. Why should the Astrologian have heals on par with white mages or the dps of a scholar?

[Aurum]

White got stronger single target heals and I move on. Stange isnt it. Come on balmung and gladly show you these mysterious astro healers in savage you seem to cannot find. But I'm actually fine with backing what I say. The astro is capable of healing all content in the game. Why should the Astrologian have heals on par with white mages or the dps of a scholar?

Why should we? I mean, look at what we do have. Buffs that occasionally line up with what's actually going on in a fight are good enough to replace healing and dps, right?

[Assirra]

White got stronger single target heals and I move on. Stange isnt it. Come on balmung and gladly show you these mysterious astro healers in savage you seem to cannot find. But I'm actually fine with backing what I say. The astro is capable of healing all content in the game. Why should the Astrologian have heals on par with white mages or the dps of a scholar?

Do you actually know the meaning of balance?
Because currently compared to the other 2 healers astrologians are everything but.
Yes it is doable but it easier with another healer and the people that actually do the content are getting asked to switch.

Also, please ask these mysterious astro healers to post on here and proof us wrong because so far, you are the only one in this whole forum that claims astro is completely fine.