Astro in savage

[EchuKayu]

AST isn't terrible though.

Also everyone does know Astro has a perma potency buff in the form of Noc stance ? 5% is nothing to scoff at.

I prefer Noc over Regen stance because there are tons of fights where I need to heal big and that 5% is very helpful.

Also Ewer is a god send now and was an indirect buff to Noc as light speed was. ( why you would use light speed in regen stance Idk I never bothered with it)

Ewer is also a card that gives you the chance to groupwide buff everyone. Basically if you're low on mana and without LA, you're forcefully using a card for your mana and sacrificing supporting your party. it's great we can use spear and ewer that way, I just don't agree with it at all.

Of course they aren't terrible, no one is saying they are. However, being able to do content isn't a justification for, say, their cards and support not being where it should be.

Also, why is our healing potency lower? We don't have the CDs/utility/cross class other healers do, which is made up for by cards. So, why do we lack the same potency as the other two healers? We already sacrifice what makes us similar to them, like our crits not giving a crit shield.

[Cynfael]

AST isn't terrible though.

Also everyone does know Astro has a perma potency buff in the form of Noc stance ? 5% is nothing to scoff at.

I prefer Noc over Regen stance because there are tons of fights where I need to heal big and that 5% is very helpful.

- AST is not terrible, but it is disadvantaged.

- I do scoff at Noct's 5% potency buff because it doesn't come close to making up the gap in efficiency between the two Sects. AST spells are strong enough with or without the tiny 5% buff; the problem is in the lack of potent healing CDs for those short spurts when you need dramatically increased healing, which applies to both Sects. At least with Diurnal the baseline maintenance healing is much less MP-intensive, the regens free up more GCDs and MP for the caster, and somewhat better synergy with CU (lol...but still) and CO is enjoyed.

[Dyvid]

AST isn't terrible though.

Also everyone does know Astro has a perma potency buff in the form of Noc stance ? 5% is nothing to scoff at.

I prefer Noc over Regen stance because there are tons of fights where I need to heal big and that 5% is very helpful.

Also Ewer is a god send now and was an indirect buff to Noc as light speed was. ( why you would use light speed in regen stance Idk I never bothered with it)

Honestly this statement says why Noct is bad. You're not using for the benefits it gives to Aspected heals and abilities but purely for the 5% healing buff. Also the fact that we hold Spear and Ewer for ourselves shows we have short coming in the mana department.

[kiraan]

Honestly this statement says why Noct is bad. You're not using for the benefits it gives to Aspected heals and abilities but purely for the 5% healing buff. Also the fact that we hold Spear and Ewer for ourselves shows we have short coming in the mana department.

Exactly what i was discussing with a friend about our mana issue. We "seems" ok now but we have to keep Ewer for us and even use celestial opposition for personal gain.

Thats a huge concern i have with AST mana issue, i'm supposed to buff mainly others, not myself, just to cover my own weaknesses.

[Vlady]

Darkseth I am not sure if you are serious or trolling. Astrologian is a far cry from what you say.they are near the same strength as the other healers. They need at most a minuet tweak to let us pay of the strength of the job which is flexibility by letting us access both stances in battle somehow.other then that we are on par with the other two jobs.

[Noira]

I will simply agree to disagree.

[Richiealvian]

Yeah, I almost never used the aspected, it's the OH SHIT I FORGOT TO HEAL button, it's not mana efficient but the extra heal itself 5% makes you very efficient with all your skills. Benefic hits like a truck. Notice the power of benefic 2 spam during the double spiders.

[Alahra]

Honestly, at this point I'm pretty sure Vlady is just trolling. He never actually *argues* for anything he says, one way or the other. He just says it.

[Vlady]

Astro buffs are fine.make them any stronger and the job becomes mandatory.

[GideonHighmourn]

Astro buffs are fine.make them any stronger and the job becomes mandatory.

I really wish people would stop throwing comments around like this; it adds nothing to the discussion. If you're going to make a comment like this, at least back it up with some sort of information, facts, or comparisons that are based on factual, accurate data.

AST buffs are largely just fluff; they really don't add anything substantial to a fight, especially since there's no real way to mitigate the RNG factor (besides Spread, which still relies on RNG drawing a card you want to use later). As the classes' core/unique mechanic, compared to SCH's faerie/aetherflow abilities or WHM's raw healing output, it's very lackluster, overcomplicated, and mostly irrelevant to any sort of real, applicable situation outside of a vacuum or sheet of paper.

Again, all of the buffs look lovely on paper, but when RNG is factored in during a scripted encounter, it falls short in actually delivering meaningful, reliable utility.

I love the idea of AST and the concept behind it, but it needs adjustments to be brought in line with SCH/WHM. Yes, it's fully capable of doing encounters, but so was WAR in 2.0; however, WAR was eventually balanced and tuned to be more in line with PLD. The same thing needs to happen with AST; even people currently clearing savage are saying that AST is more of a handicap/burden when compared to WHM/SCH, and those players are at the top of their game. What's going to happen when less-skilled players try to clear the same content with AST? They will run into more problems.