Enjoy Summoner before it gets nerfed...

[Risvertasashi]

some of you guys are complaining about tri-disaster too and it just makes me go "what?" i bane maybe half the time on it, but even then i don't think it's all that great because it's easily healed through and removed via LB.

TBH that's the one complaint that I feel is legitimate. Status effects are easily stacked (not just tri disaster's but all the other job's too), but outside of specials that have long cooldowns, they can only be removed one at a time for a hefty MP cost. They removed the ability to stack regen/medica II so I think it would only be fair if DoTs also couldn't stack.

[DxWings]

Tri-Disaster is purify and you're done. Tri-Disaster goes on CD, the SMN has to find another way to bring your life down low enough for Painflare and/or Deathflare to matter. Of course you may get Fester'd before you can purify it but thats nothing Recuperate can't fix. If you're around a healer? Great! You're gonna live! If you ever die solely by a SMN's "easy bake" combo, then you're definitely overextending a bit much.

DoTs stacking has never been a problem in PvP and I don't think it is a problem at this moment either. Kisada kind of pointed it all out how to deal with DoTs. You either Purify it or have your Healer LB, it'll remove all detrimental effects OR have your Tank LB so you're taking less dmg per tick(not sure on this one, may need some testing/confirmation).

As any DoW class, you have access to Recuperate/Purify that helps against DoTs. If you can cross class Second Wind even better. If you've got a healer nearby? Great! You're gonna live! (Saying it again)

If you're a DoM class, you have access to Sprint/Physick/Purify.

DoTs take time to kill you, if you know when to back off and get yourself healed up, DoTs aren't anything to worry about.

[Intaki]

Tri-Disaster is purify and you're done.

If the only answer to an attack that does not suffer diminishing returns is Purify there is a problem.

[kisada]

If the only answer to an attack that does not suffer diminishing returns is Purify there is a problem.

well, go back and read all the replies from the previous pages. it's not the only answer. tri-disaster is extremely easy to counter. smns in general are extremely easy to counter. i regularly have 20 kill games on smn. you know what makes me go away? a single cure.


i think what some of you guys don't realize is that when you leave any ranged dps unchecked and they aren't defended against they go crazy. this has ALWAYS been the case. go back and look at slaughter and it was the same with BLM's, at least until people figured out you need to attack them to stop them. it's not about the job needing nerfs. it's about not giving a job carte blanche to unleash their skills.

and this doesn't mean they need nerfs, it means people actually have to make the right adjustments to stop them. that involves actually getting heals or putting a body on the smn, which are, again, very simple ways to stop one.

[DxWings]

If the only answer to an attack that does not suffer diminishing returns is Purify there is a problem.

You took out the rest of my post and attacked the only part you wanted to attack. Lol
Healer LB works, Tank LB after seeing someone tri disaster'd works -- stops the whole burst from killing anyone.
Yes it has no diminishing return but the most important part you cut out of my post is that it goes on CD. It has a 1min CD. With Recuperation and second wind, you can make up the HP loss from painflare and deathflare. And don't forget that MNKs and DRGs have access to bloodbath.
A melee can easily shut down a SMN on a 1vs1 match. If that is the case, then there's nothing OP about SMN. If you're that scared to get bursted in 5 moves (Tridisaster-Fester-Energy Drain-Painflare-Deathflare), then take it down first. Burst it before it bursts you.

[Hammerfist]

I just did a seal rock as drg and, in a 1vs1 (with purify on cooldown unfortunately), a smn killed me by doing a 10k burst damage in ONE second while running towards me... I don't even know how that's possible lol.

[QCrimson]

Yeah I don't see what could possibly be wrong with a ranged dd with a very high group nuisance potential, an insane burst that is both quick and easy to setup and a good sustained dps, especially in the "current meta" (very few healers due to lv 60). I mean I'm not asking for a nerf or anything, I'm even happy for you smns (my arcanist is lv 58 > ) but please carry your OPness like men. Or something.

PS: by the time you purify that tri-disaster a fester has probably already landed.

[kisada]

Yeah I don't see what could possibly be wrong with a ranged dd with a very high group nuisance potential, an insane burst that is both quick and easy to setup and a good sustained dps, especially in the "current meta" (very few healers due to lv 60). I mean I'm not asking for a nerf or anything, I'm even happy for you smns (my arcanist is lv 58 > ) but please carry your OPness like men. Or something.

PS: by the time you purify that tri-disaster a fester has probably already landed.

it lands for 0. fester has an obnoxiously long animation. and if i tri/fester someone, i'm just praying that my target butterfingers their purify. anyone with half-decent reflexes will get their purify off before fester drops.

[Ditto]

it lands for 0. fester has an obnoxiously long animation. and if i tri/fester someone, i'm just praying that my target butterfingers their purify. anyone with half-decent reflexes will get their purify off before fester drops.

And then they'll get festered by 8 other summoners, Holmgang, triple Fell Cleaved 3 times, and then to top it all off, just because they can, some random snipe flairs on the already dead body, while Purify is on CD.

Summoners aren't exactly a rarity in PvP nowadays, especially not with the potential they currently have.

And if anything, getting Battle Fever is the easiest thing for them to do, because they can just spread their dots to everything and pick people off easily, thus giving them 20%/40% bonus damage done. To everything. Literally I see more summoners with High/Fever than I see any other class.

[QCrimson]

Yeah right, each time you land your fester before the purify is because your opponent lacks l33t reflexes, the animation of purify or the latency has nothing to do with it.