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[Firon]

Yes.

This thread is misleading.

The patch notes state while Incurring (acquiring) enmity you will not recover.

This language was put into the notes to clarify but somehow became misconstrued; the state in which you will recover HP/MP.

for example in 1.18 you would recover HP/MP while in passive no matter what.

In 1.19 you can now cast while in passive.
To balance what could otherwise become a broken mechanic they said you will recover HP/MP as long as you aren't actively gaining hate (incurring enmity). how could this be broken? Because the longer you stay still the greater Hp/MP a tick you'll recover. Just imagine a mage that doesn't move recovering 100 MP a tick casting cure recover 110 mp cast cure recover 120 mp. Thats broken.

SO they added a rule, If you are incurring enmity (actively gaining hate) your recovery will stop. and reset to your first tick, instead of where you left off. Casting cure while in passive will give you (incur) enmity. As long as the mob doesn't come over and punch in your face you will begin to recover again. Because you are no longer gaining (incurring) enmity.

God hope no one has to tell ppl this again its very simple if you just read lol...

[Rogue]

it depends on your interpretation of "incuring"

i take it to mean as soon as i take an action while a mob is engaged i will be *incuring* emnity

this would mean that, if my party engages a mob i can choose to not take any action and just stand there recovering MP

as soon as i cure the tank i would be incuring emnity and thus i wouldnt be able to recover mp untill the mob is dead or i have somehow managed to lose ALL emnity (ie, im dead)

your interpretation (if i understand correctly) is that you can cast a spell and then stop taking action and then start recovering MP.

to be honest im not sure which i am inclined to think is correct... i suppose im tempted to think the first one.

also, i can see raoming parties dissapearing (except for tp burn) which will also mean a full time puller (ie pre aht urghan FFXI style grind parties)- i say this because the mages will not be wanting to move around and the mobs will have to come thick and fast to keep chains alive.

i can also see burn parties making a comeback, mana and tp both.

bassically like CoP FFXI

[Renshi]

Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity.

=/=

Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity while staying still.

Just a heads-up =)

[ChiefCurrahee]

If you were unable to recover once you had enmity the wording would have been:

Players will not automatically recover HP and MP if they have INCURRED enmity

The patch says this:

Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when INCURRING enmity

if you are actively taking actions that put you on the mobs hate list you are INCURRING enmity. Once you stop doing those actions you are no longer INCURRING enmity.

It's not hard to understand.

INCURRING means actively acquiring something.

INCURRED means previously acquired something.

so which word does the patch notes use?
heres a hint:

Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity

[Rogue]

i think incurring CAN mean i have aquired and that it is a matter of context

to be blunt i think you are just plain wrong.. what can i say. dont mean to offend.

-edit, actually i would like to take that back a little

i think you could be right but it is not clear either way

im simply going with the one i think is more likely.

[ChiefCurrahee]

i think incurring CAN mean i have aquired and that it is a matter of context

to be blunt i think you are just plain wrong.. what can i say. dont mean to offend.

If you took out an interest free loan (yeah right) for $1,000.00 You have just INCURRED debt. Are you still INCURRING more debt even though the loan is interest free?
NO.
You don't INCURRED more debt.

The words aren't interchangeable. They have two completely different meanings.

so in case of FF sake:

You don't INCURRED more enmity.
You INCURE enmity by INCURRING enmity, that enmity has now become INCURRED.

the patch notes say WHEN INCURRING enmity.

it doesn't say if you INCURE enmity
it doesn't say if you have INCURRED enmity

[Rogue]

i suppose we will see

[Rokien]

Heres the thing, there would be no point in saying ANYTHING at all about this if it went like this..... Cast spell(incurring enmity)-->Spell is done(not incurring enmity)-->Recover MP/HP right after you cast the spell. I hardly think thats going to be the case, why say anything at all if it was like that. The only time your going to be "incurring enmity" will be when the spell was caste, going from your words. That means you just have to sit in one spot and will ALWAYS GAIN HP/MP and never stop, unless your casting something. EVEN THEN you don't get enmity when your casting something, so there for the only time hp/mp will stop regaining will be the one second that your spell hits. I'm just going off your logic here bud..... To be honest, its pretty broke if its going to work like that.

[Dreamer]

Heres the thing, there would be no point in saying ANYTHING at all about this if it went like this..... Cast spell(incurring enmity)-->Spell is done(not incurring enmity)-->Recover MP/HP right after you cast the spell. I hardly think thats going to be the case, why say anything at all if it was like that. The only time your going to be "incurring enmity" will be when the spell was caste, going from your words. That means you just have to sit in one spot and will ALWAYS GAIN HP/MP and never stop, unless your casting something. EVEN THEN you don't get enmity when your casting something, so there for the only time hp/mp will stop regaining will be the one second that your spell hits. I'm just going off your logic here bud..... To be honest, its pretty broke if its going to work like that.

The way I read it, if you have dots, debuffs, or hots applied, you won't be regaining HP/MP.There will very likely also be a small window after you use an ability/spell where you don't gain HP/MP.

[Firon]

Heres the thing, there would be no point in saying ANYTHING at all about this if it went like this..... Cast spell(incurring enmity)-->Spell is done(not incurring enmity)-->Recover MP/HP right after you cast the spell. I hardly think thats going to be the case, why say anything at all if it was like that. The only time your going to be "incurring enmity" will be when the spell was caste, going from your words. That means you just have to sit in one spot and will ALWAYS GAIN HP/MP and never stop, unless your casting something. EVEN THEN you don't get enmity when your casting something, so there for the only time hp/mp will stop regaining will be the one second that your spell hits. I'm just going off your logic here bud..... To be honest, its pretty broke if its going to work like that.

When you start casting mp stops regenerating, when you use an self buff mp stops regenerating, when you move mp stops regenerating.

After you cast an spell use an buff and stop moving and wait about 3 secs (maybe more or less) mp will start to regen.....