So, I hate to open up this can of worms again, but....

[NovaWulfe]

Now seems like as good a time as ever, with the introduction of Alexander Savage. Seeing the posts about how strict the DPS checks are for even the easiest trash boss of this raid (Faust), I feel the need for an officially supported PERSONAL parser is greater than ever. I do not want anything that shows me the DPS of any other group members, as I know the kind of trolling that could start in this game. As a BLM/SMN main playing on PS4 however, I can't help but feel that I am being held back from progressing as a player by not being able to actually see how much progress I am making. I should not have to beg my friends to parse for me, and if the parsers are as inaccurate as the developers claim, we should not be forced to trust inaccurate third party programs simply to attempt to get better at what we do. All I want, all that the people in my situation want, is a tool to measure our progress, not to "kick the scrubs" from our groups. I know this is a very touchy subject, but at the same time I realize that if we want anything to change, we need to speak up. Feel free to post your opinions whether you agree with me or not, just please keep things civil

[PlumpyMcduff]

A personal parser would be a great way to gauge your performance.

[Fendred]

One of many reasons damage dealer should not be a role in any video game. If people need external tools just to play the game effectively, the mechanic should be tossed, not preserved as it has been. Plus, DPS parsers have their limits, and fools will try to gauge a particular DD's effectiveness when they know nothing about the class or situation they are in. For instance, you aren't going to get perfect, unobstructed DPS on a boss like Ravana. Especially with directional damage (flank, rear, etc).

[NovaWulfe]

One of many reasons damage dealer should not be a role in any video game. If people need external tools just to play the game effectively, the mechanic should be tossed, not preserved as it has been. Plus, DPS parsers have their limits, and fools will try to gauge a particular DD's effectiveness when they know nothing about the class or situation they are in. For instance, you aren't going to get perfect, unobstructed DPS on a boss like Ravana. Especially with directional damage (flank, rear, etc).

Of course. But let's say that you run Ravana and die to DPS checks 3 times. If you parsed yourself all 3 times and see a gradual improvement in the numbers for the same exact fight, you know you are making progress.

[Cylla]

I'll take a personal parser but anything beyond that allows seeing other people's dps is just asking for trouble. People abuse them kind of parser like no tomorrow. And don't give me the whole, "it not to kick scrubs" line. Very rarely do people use parser for the right reasons.

[Nague]

I'll take a personal parser but anything beyond that allows seeing other people's dps is just asking for trouble. People abuse them kind of parser like no tomorrow. And don't give me the whole, "it not to kick scrubs" line. Very rarely do people use parser for the right reasons.

why should we not be able to see everyones dps and kick the low dps when low dps is making the whole group fail?


If a healer doesnt heal, you can kick them and if a tank doesnt get mobs under control and have them running around, you kikc them as well, so i want to kick dps that dont do their job.

[Cylla]

why should we not be able to see everyones dps and kick the low dps when low dps is making the whole group fail?


If a healer doesnt heal, you can kick them and if a tank doesnt get mobs under control and have them running around, you kikc them as well, so i want to kick dps that dont do their job.

A healer not healing and a tank not tanking is one thing, kicking a dps because they aren't doing the dps YOU want is abuse. There are people who will abuse parsing to the point where if someone even slightly doing 50 less then the rest of the group, "Your a scrub" and there the kick. That is abuse in my books. Someone doing slightly less and kicking them is retarded, someone doing a WHOLE lot less then the rest isn't. But since people can't treat a parser the right way it should only be given to see your own dps, not others.

[Assirra]

A healer not healing and a tank not tanking is one thing, kicking a dps because they aren't doing the dps YOU want is abuse. There are people who will abuse parsing to the point where if someone even slightly doing 50 less then the rest of the group, "Your a scrub" and there the kick. That is abuse in my books. Someone doing slightly less and kicking them is retarded, someone doing a WHOLE lot less then the rest isn't. But since people can't treat a parser the right way it should only be given to see your own dps, not others.

See i don't get this at all.
People keep trowing the whole "you will be harassed" reason yet i played games that had it either build ingame or addons for that and that almost never happened.

Why not just allow it, let people do their thing and report the harassers.

[Cylla]

See i don't get this at all.
People keep trowing the whole "you will be harassed" reason yet i played games that had it either build ingame or addons for that and that almost never happened.

Why not just allow it, let people do their thing and report the harassers.

Maybe you just got lucky but I've seen it enough. Maybe not here in XIV, but I have seen it a lot in games like World of Warcraft or Guild Wars 2. Heck, I've seen it happen in XI towards the end which was just sicking to see. And that why I'm against people seeing others dps. Parsers should be allowed on a personal level, so that you, yourself, can check your own dps. Not others. Far be it to me, it just seems like people can't use their brains anymore and fall back on an app to tell them who is under performing and that may not even be the case. Just because someone doing less dps, doesn't mean they aren't performing. One person can pull out a crap load of dps and die, while the person who doing slightly under may be doing a hole hell of a lot better. See what I'm saying?

But in the end, what does this all matter anyway? We all know that someone already built a parser for this game. We already know people are using it, abusing it, etc. Again, rarely are they used for what they should be and again, you just got lucky I suppose.

[Kaedan94]

A healer not healing and a tank not tanking is one thing, kicking a dps because they aren't doing the dps YOU want is abuse. There are people who will abuse parsing to the point where if someone even slightly doing 50 less then the rest of the group, "Your a scrub" and there the kick. That is abuse in my books. Someone doing slightly less and kicking them is retarded, someone doing a WHOLE lot less then the rest isn't. But since people can't treat a parser the right way it should only be given to see your own dps, not others.

I won't argue about people abusing others with information provided by parsers... it happens.

However, you are very wrong about kicking a DPS for not putting out enough damage being abuse. It's no different than any other role not performing their job satisfactorily. A DPS not putting out enough damage is the exact same thing as a tank losing threat or a healer not healing well enough. If the DPS check requires all 4 DPS to put out 1k+... then that's the requirement, plain and simple. If you can't meet that requirement and it's causing the team to fail, then you are the problem and kicking is a perfectly valid result (from Party Finder).