So, I hate to open up this can of worms again, but....

[Nague]

A healer not healing and a tank not tanking is one thing, kicking a dps because they aren't doing the dps YOU want is abuse. There are people who will abuse parsing to the point where if someone even slightly doing 50 less then the rest of the group, "Your a scrub" and there the kick. That is abuse in my books. Someone doing slightly less and kicking them is retarded, someone doing a WHOLE lot less then the rest isn't. But since people can't treat a parser the right way it should only be given to see your own dps, not others.

LOL, have you seen the recent content for this game, its not what I want, its what the content designer wants.

dps not doing 1.2k dps? Nope, you wont get into alex savage, bye.
Bismarck also is just a dps check and nothing more, since we speak about erecent content.




a dps not meeting thje average dps requirement is exactly the same as a healer not healing more than the enemy does damage or the tasnk not producing more emnity than required.

[Cylla]

See i don't get this at all.
People keep trowing the whole "you will be harassed" reason yet i played games that had it either build ingame or addons for that and that almost never happened.

Why not just allow it, let people do their thing and report the harassers.

Maybe you just got lucky but I've seen it enough. Maybe not here in XIV, but I have seen it a lot in games like World of Warcraft or Guild Wars 2. Heck, I've seen it happen in XI towards the end which was just sicking to see. And that why I'm against people seeing others dps. Parsers should be allowed on a personal level, so that you, yourself, can check your own dps. Not others. Far be it to me, it just seems like people can't use their brains anymore and fall back on an app to tell them who is under performing and that may not even be the case. Just because someone doing less dps, doesn't mean they aren't performing. One person can pull out a crap load of dps and die, while the person who doing slightly under may be doing a hole hell of a lot better. See what I'm saying?

But in the end, what does this all matter anyway? We all know that someone already built a parser for this game. We already know people are using it, abusing it, etc. Again, rarely are they used for what they should be and again, you just got lucky I suppose.

[Malevicton]

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That puts you in a minority then. Most people don't have problems with harassment and parsing. When they do is far more rare than when they don't.

Also, we dont need a parser because we have a parser is a lame excuse for obvious reasons

[Assirra]

Maybe you just got lucky but I've seen it enough. Maybe not here in XIV, but I have seen it a lot in games like World of Warcraft or Guild Wars 2. Heck, I've seen it happen in XI towards the end which was just sicking to see. And that why I'm against people seeing others dps. Parsers should be allowed on a personal level, so that you, yourself, can check your own dps. Not others. Far be it to me, it just seems like people can't use their brains anymore and fall back on an app to tell them who is under performing and that may not even be the case. Just because someone doing less dps, doesn't mean they aren't performing. One person can pull out a crap load of dps and die, while the person who doing slightly under may be doing a hole hell of a lot better. See what I'm saying?


But in the end, what does this all matter anyway? We all know that someone already built a parser for this game. We already know people are using it, abusing it, etc. Again, rarely are they used for what they should be and again, you just got lucky I suppose.

Oh boy, this is the new excuse now?
I got lucky? I got over a decade in mmo's and i got lucky?
You are so far overreacting it's no longer funny.
I take my leave here, a wall is a better communication partner, at least that one doesn't try to turn facts into "luck".

[Orbiaus]

Yes it does need to be added. A personal parser should have been added a long time ago. Also as someone who dpsed a long time in a mmo that did show personal dps to others, issues were less than people fear but im fine with it just being personal too.

[KaijinRhada]

I'll say what I said in another thread on the note of parsers:

The world and social network in this game isn't going to suddenly come crashing down because of the addition of a damage meter. People will be jerks regardless and I think the impact people think it will have on the community is a bit overblown. You're already beholden to a standard without parsers (ilvl and experience), the only thing this will add is that you will have numbers to back up your standing or not, because let's face it, people can get higher ilvl and still have lots of room for improvement, to put it kindly.

Getting mechanics down via practice is good and all, but you should optimize your DPS along with it and not having a meter really leaves it up in the air of how well you are performing and how consistent it is. It's a matter of better telling you what direction to go in terms of where you can improve. In the end, mods don't kill game communities, and this type of harassment isn't as prevalent in games that have a meter available as people claim.

Be it personal or not, having one in game would be advantageous to any player.

[Asierid]

Oh boy, this is the new excuse now?
I got lucky? I got over a decade in mmo's and i got lucky?
You are so far overreacting it's no longer funny.
I take my leave here, a wall is a better communication partner, at least that one doesn't try to turn facts into "luck".

Shh. It's ok. How dare we judge the individual when it comes to completing the task as a group and fail to dps checks...numerous times. How dare we say a person must carry their weight, just like everyone else. What is this nonsense?

/s

[Magusrex]

The people on both sides will never see eye to eye on this. One side wants everyone to be accountable for their performance while participating in group content. The other side only wants some people(healers & tanks) to be held accountable while participating in group content. The crazy thing about this is that the people who don't want everyone treated equally have taken the position that those those that want it equal are mean and elitist. If more than half of the people in your group want to wait for someone to replace you because they think your performance is so poor they cannot complete the encounter with you, how is that wrong? If you are under-performing and don't understand why, you could post a parse and ask for some help. I know some tool might insult you, so what. Plenty of good people would fall over themselves trying to give you quality advice on how to improve. How can people help you if they don't know what you are doing and when.

When I ran cutting edge raiding guilds, I took moms who had never played MMOs and turned them into top performers after seeing just once parse from an entire raid. It was either gear, rotation or situational awareness. I could tell them why they were dying, where the rotation was wrong ect. They were very grateful and were able to play with enormous confidence afterwards. I don't understand why anyone deny themselves such a useful tool. Wait here is answer that makes sense. They have no interested in putting in any effort to improve themselves and without meters no one has proof.

[Tyrial]

People get kicked more often for failing mechanics than for low DPS. In the situation where I do find somebody performing poorly I usually try to help. If they are polite and accept said help I have no issue. When they act like tools and refuse they usually get kicked.

[Khyan]

An official parser is not needed. The actual parser is tolerated if you use it for your static or yourself. Just don't use it for blame other people.