So, I hate to open up this can of worms again, but....

[Kaurie]

How would it cause problems, may I ask? A personal one could simply be used to evaluate and improve yourself

Pretty much what Frejya said.

I can see parse numbers to be demanded to be told when a DPS check fails. Any negative behavior that would happen with the group parser would happen then too.

Conversely, the benefit of a group parser is someone can compare their DPS to others in neutral settings (i.e. Expert Roulette). Maybe you've been fairly happy with your damage output all along, and then get partnered up with someone else of the same job. Looks like you have better gear, you should own them right!? Wait, your DPS is only half of what they have. What?? That can't be?! OK, time to accept it and figure out what they're doing that you can emulate to improve.

With the personal parser only, this would never happen and the only time comparative data would come would be in the negative situations. Many positive comparisons would be lost.

AND if you had a personal parser only and did the ex roulette, if afterward you asked what the other DPS was doing - you'd inadvertently sound like an elitist. Even though all you want is to compare your numbers to see how you're doing.

[Nico_Of_Awesome]

yes absolutely +1.

Only idiots say otherwise.

faust savage ( the QQ topic of the day for reditards ) is a piece of piss, soo easy. But it has a stiff requirement: You must play your job optimally. People NEED to be able to gauge their performance. We all have been there when we 1st downloaded act "gosh my damage sux" *scratches head* and then begins the process of self improvement and frankly I find it terribly unfair that players do not have this ability to check their OWN dps and performance, particularly ps players who don't have access to act.

It's called combat log paper and pencil.. crazy idea right?
There's zero reason for an in game parser. Unless you're lazy.

[Kazumac]

Every time I've been kicked from a group, I count it as a blessing I didn't have to eat a 30 min penalty to keep grouping with that horrible team. But I've only been kicked once. It was for "low dps". If there was a built in Parser I'd be happy to have shown them that kicking their #2 dps wasn't going to help them... But well thank goodness there wasn't a parser guys! (Saved me trouble of sticking with the group though)

[Malevicton]

I can see parse numbers to be demanded to be told when a DPS check fails.

Is that really such a bad thing?

[Blackheart]

Is that really such a bad thing?

not always, but in most cases, yes.

[Sessurea]

I think people against parsers are toxic as hell. What they want goes AGAINST the spirit of a GAME---> self improvement. And for what? Their own selfish ego's fear of someone out there parsing more than themselves. I mean, are these people even serious players? Should their opinions even matter?

Se want to avoid naming and shaming with the aid of parses in df and pf. That's fine. But to not give the players a private and personal tool to help them improve is beyond belief.

It's no joke every raider uses act, hell ppl even include it in their youtube vids, nobody cares anymore, not even se. But it's unfair to ps players ( and no, im not a ps player )

[Malevicton]

not always, but in most cases, yes.

in most cases of a dps check failing, it's bad to know how much dps everyone did? Really guys?

[Blackheart]

in most cases of a dps check failing, it's bad to know how much dps everyone did? Really guys?

well, it's abit of a double edged sword. Some people will ask, see where the problem is, and try to correct it, and for those instances having parsers would be great in the moment people are willing to help out and improve upon one another. Then you have those who think it's too much of a hassle and would rather kick/remove the problem rather then trying to communicate or help, and that is where parsers are a horrid idea.

[Kaurie]

Is that really such a bad thing?

You erased the rest of the post.

It would be like me quoting you and only including "Bad thing". It just makes no sense without the rest of the post. Context is everything.

[Malevicton]

well, it's abit of a double edged sword. Some people will ask, see where the problem is, and try to correct it, and for those instances having parsers would be great in the moment people are willing to help out and improve upon one another. Then you have those who think it's too much of a hassle and would rather kick/remove the problem rather then trying to communicate or help, and that is where parsers are a horrid idea.

The other option is ignorance. Also not sure if kicking people who can't meet dps checks is all that "horrid." Sure, it'd be better if people helped out, but by the time people are capped and doing endgame, there's a reasonable expectation for people to attempt to learn their role. If they can't do what they signed up to do, then helping them or kicking them are both viable options, one's just more polite. And it goes back to the double-standard of the other roles; if a healer isn't able to meet a heal check it's immediately obvious. Why is it okay for dps to get a pass if they wipe the group? If you have 3 dps at 800+ and one dps at 400 and fail a dps check, it's blamed on all 4 dps. That's not cool.

You erased the rest of the post.

It would be like me quoting you and only including "Bad thing". It just makes no sense without the rest of the post. Context is everything.

The post was pretty long to quote the whole thing, so I parsed for a thesis statement (heheh). Sorry to misrepresent you, though, it's true that I kinda did.