So, I hate to open up this can of worms again, but....

[Blackheart]

Is that really such a bad thing?

not always, but in most cases, yes.

[Malevicton]

not always, but in most cases, yes.

in most cases of a dps check failing, it's bad to know how much dps everyone did? Really guys?

[Blackheart]

in most cases of a dps check failing, it's bad to know how much dps everyone did? Really guys?

well, it's abit of a double edged sword. Some people will ask, see where the problem is, and try to correct it, and for those instances having parsers would be great in the moment people are willing to help out and improve upon one another. Then you have those who think it's too much of a hassle and would rather kick/remove the problem rather then trying to communicate or help, and that is where parsers are a horrid idea.

[Malevicton]

well, it's abit of a double edged sword. Some people will ask, see where the problem is, and try to correct it, and for those instances having parsers would be great in the moment people are willing to help out and improve upon one another. Then you have those who think it's too much of a hassle and would rather kick/remove the problem rather then trying to communicate or help, and that is where parsers are a horrid idea.

The other option is ignorance. Also not sure if kicking people who can't meet dps checks is all that "horrid." Sure, it'd be better if people helped out, but by the time people are capped and doing endgame, there's a reasonable expectation for people to attempt to learn their role. If they can't do what they signed up to do, then helping them or kicking them are both viable options, one's just more polite. And it goes back to the double-standard of the other roles; if a healer isn't able to meet a heal check it's immediately obvious. Why is it okay for dps to get a pass if they wipe the group? If you have 3 dps at 800+ and one dps at 400 and fail a dps check, it's blamed on all 4 dps. That's not cool.

You erased the rest of the post.

It would be like me quoting you and only including "Bad thing". It just makes no sense without the rest of the post. Context is everything.

The post was pretty long to quote the whole thing, so I parsed for a thesis statement (heheh). Sorry to misrepresent you, though, it's true that I kinda did.

[Blackheart]

The other option is ignorance. Also not sure if kicking people who can't meet dps checks is all that "horrid." Sure, it'd be better if people helped out, but by the time people are capped and doing endgame, there's a reasonable expectation for people to attempt to learn their role. If they can't do what they signed up to do, then helping them or kicking them are both viable options, one's just more polite. And it goes back to the double-standard of the other roles; if a healer isn't able to meet a heal check it's immediately obvious. Why is it okay for dps to get a pass if they wipe the group? If you have 3 dps at 800+ and one dps at 400 and fail a dps check, it's blamed on all 4 dps. That's not cool.

oh don't misunderstand, i don't disagree with you, i'm neither for or against parsers personally. In some cases i can see them being very handy in finding out problems, but on the other hand it CAN cause alot of drama/stress for other players both early on and endgame. The major issue isn't the parser itself, but the community and how they'll handle them.