So, I hate to open up this can of worms again, but....

[Cylla]

why should we not be able to see everyones dps and kick the low dps when low dps is making the whole group fail?


If a healer doesnt heal, you can kick them and if a tank doesnt get mobs under control and have them running around, you kikc them as well, so i want to kick dps that dont do their job.

A healer not healing and a tank not tanking is one thing, kicking a dps because they aren't doing the dps YOU want is abuse. There are people who will abuse parsing to the point where if someone even slightly doing 50 less then the rest of the group, "Your a scrub" and there the kick. That is abuse in my books. Someone doing slightly less and kicking them is retarded, someone doing a WHOLE lot less then the rest isn't. But since people can't treat a parser the right way it should only be given to see your own dps, not others.

[Rin_Kuroi]

There has to be a better way for dps to judge their performance. What that may be I dont know.

[NovaWulfe]

why should we not be able to see everyones dps and kick the low dps when low dps is making the whole group fail?


If a healer doesnt heal, you can kick them and if a tank doesnt get mobs under control and have them running around, you kikc them as well, so i want to kick dps that dont do their job.

Because the reason for wanting pasers should not be so we can exclude others from grouping with us without even giving them a chance to improve. Parsers should be used as tools to improve, not to weed out the scrubs. SE does not want us abusing eachother and excluding people from groups, but giving us personal parsers that allow us to judge our own progress is something that they might one day agree with.

[loreleidiangelo]

Because the reason for wanting pasers should not be so we can exclude others from grouping with us without even giving them a chance to improve. Parsers should be used as tools to improve, not to weed out the scrubs. SE does not want us abusing eachother and excluding people from groups, but giving us personal parsers that allow us to judge our own progress is something that they might one day agree with.

But how many times have a tank or healer been kicked for not "doing their job properly" before anyone has even tried to offer constructive advice?

Let's stop with the double standards please; DPS are not immune to some method of gauging their performance simply because there's more than one of them that can "pick up the slack".

[Malevicton]

Parsers being allowed doesn't mean harassment will suddenly be allowed. Just throwin that out there as general purpose information.

[Rin_Kuroi]

But how many times have a tank or healer been kicked for not "doing their job properly" before anyone has even tried to offer constructive advice?

Im pretty sure this abuse that can be reported ie kicking someone for a reason other than whats listed on the kick message box (offline, afk, etc). Being bad shouldnt be a kickable offense in df.

[Tyrial]

Im pretty sure this abuse that can be reported ie kicking someone for a reason other than whats listed on the kick message box (offline, afk, etc). Being bad shouldnt be a kickable offense in df.

If it's preventing the group from clearing then it most certainly does qualify as a kickable offense.

[Rin_Kuroi]

If it's preventing the group from clearing then it most certainly does qualify as a kickable offense.

You can leave if you dont like another player's performance in df.

[Inuk9]

That's a great Idea. I really need to see how my dragoon is doing. The only DPS parameter that I have is the aggro lines in the party UI.

I want a PERSONAL parser too.

[Malevicton]

You can leave if you dont like another player's performance in df.

C'mon. You know that's not a legit solution if 1 player is wiping the group. C'mon.