So, I hate to open up this can of worms again, but....

[Nague]

I'll take a personal parser but anything beyond that allows seeing other people's dps is just asking for trouble. People abuse them kind of parser like no tomorrow. And don't give me the whole, "it not to kick scrubs" line. Very rarely do people use parser for the right reasons.

why should we not be able to see everyones dps and kick the low dps when low dps is making the whole group fail?


If a healer doesnt heal, you can kick them and if a tank doesnt get mobs under control and have them running around, you kikc them as well, so i want to kick dps that dont do their job.

[Cylla]

why should we not be able to see everyones dps and kick the low dps when low dps is making the whole group fail?


If a healer doesnt heal, you can kick them and if a tank doesnt get mobs under control and have them running around, you kikc them as well, so i want to kick dps that dont do their job.

A healer not healing and a tank not tanking is one thing, kicking a dps because they aren't doing the dps YOU want is abuse. There are people who will abuse parsing to the point where if someone even slightly doing 50 less then the rest of the group, "Your a scrub" and there the kick. That is abuse in my books. Someone doing slightly less and kicking them is retarded, someone doing a WHOLE lot less then the rest isn't. But since people can't treat a parser the right way it should only be given to see your own dps, not others.

[Assirra]

A healer not healing and a tank not tanking is one thing, kicking a dps because they aren't doing the dps YOU want is abuse. There are people who will abuse parsing to the point where if someone even slightly doing 50 less then the rest of the group, "Your a scrub" and there the kick. That is abuse in my books. Someone doing slightly less and kicking them is retarded, someone doing a WHOLE lot less then the rest isn't. But since people can't treat a parser the right way it should only be given to see your own dps, not others.

See i don't get this at all.
People keep trowing the whole "you will be harassed" reason yet i played games that had it either build ingame or addons for that and that almost never happened.

Why not just allow it, let people do their thing and report the harassers.

[Cylla]

See i don't get this at all.
People keep trowing the whole "you will be harassed" reason yet i played games that had it either build ingame or addons for that and that almost never happened.

Why not just allow it, let people do their thing and report the harassers.

Maybe you just got lucky but I've seen it enough. Maybe not here in XIV, but I have seen it a lot in games like World of Warcraft or Guild Wars 2. Heck, I've seen it happen in XI towards the end which was just sicking to see. And that why I'm against people seeing others dps. Parsers should be allowed on a personal level, so that you, yourself, can check your own dps. Not others. Far be it to me, it just seems like people can't use their brains anymore and fall back on an app to tell them who is under performing and that may not even be the case. Just because someone doing less dps, doesn't mean they aren't performing. One person can pull out a crap load of dps and die, while the person who doing slightly under may be doing a hole hell of a lot better. See what I'm saying?

But in the end, what does this all matter anyway? We all know that someone already built a parser for this game. We already know people are using it, abusing it, etc. Again, rarely are they used for what they should be and again, you just got lucky I suppose.

[Malevicton]

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That puts you in a minority then. Most people don't have problems with harassment and parsing. When they do is far more rare than when they don't.

Also, we dont need a parser because we have a parser is a lame excuse for obvious reasons

[Assirra]

Maybe you just got lucky but I've seen it enough. Maybe not here in XIV, but I have seen it a lot in games like World of Warcraft or Guild Wars 2. Heck, I've seen it happen in XI towards the end which was just sicking to see. And that why I'm against people seeing others dps. Parsers should be allowed on a personal level, so that you, yourself, can check your own dps. Not others. Far be it to me, it just seems like people can't use their brains anymore and fall back on an app to tell them who is under performing and that may not even be the case. Just because someone doing less dps, doesn't mean they aren't performing. One person can pull out a crap load of dps and die, while the person who doing slightly under may be doing a hole hell of a lot better. See what I'm saying?


But in the end, what does this all matter anyway? We all know that someone already built a parser for this game. We already know people are using it, abusing it, etc. Again, rarely are they used for what they should be and again, you just got lucky I suppose.

Oh boy, this is the new excuse now?
I got lucky? I got over a decade in mmo's and i got lucky?
You are so far overreacting it's no longer funny.
I take my leave here, a wall is a better communication partner, at least that one doesn't try to turn facts into "luck".

[Kaedan94]

A healer not healing and a tank not tanking is one thing, kicking a dps because they aren't doing the dps YOU want is abuse. There are people who will abuse parsing to the point where if someone even slightly doing 50 less then the rest of the group, "Your a scrub" and there the kick. That is abuse in my books. Someone doing slightly less and kicking them is retarded, someone doing a WHOLE lot less then the rest isn't. But since people can't treat a parser the right way it should only be given to see your own dps, not others.

I won't argue about people abusing others with information provided by parsers... it happens.

However, you are very wrong about kicking a DPS for not putting out enough damage being abuse. It's no different than any other role not performing their job satisfactorily. A DPS not putting out enough damage is the exact same thing as a tank losing threat or a healer not healing well enough. If the DPS check requires all 4 DPS to put out 1k+... then that's the requirement, plain and simple. If you can't meet that requirement and it's causing the team to fail, then you are the problem and kicking is a perfectly valid result (from Party Finder).

[Nague]

A healer not healing and a tank not tanking is one thing, kicking a dps because they aren't doing the dps YOU want is abuse. There are people who will abuse parsing to the point where if someone even slightly doing 50 less then the rest of the group, "Your a scrub" and there the kick. That is abuse in my books. Someone doing slightly less and kicking them is retarded, someone doing a WHOLE lot less then the rest isn't. But since people can't treat a parser the right way it should only be given to see your own dps, not others.

LOL, have you seen the recent content for this game, its not what I want, its what the content designer wants.

dps not doing 1.2k dps? Nope, you wont get into alex savage, bye.
Bismarck also is just a dps check and nothing more, since we speak about erecent content.




a dps not meeting thje average dps requirement is exactly the same as a healer not healing more than the enemy does damage or the tasnk not producing more emnity than required.

[NovaWulfe]

why should we not be able to see everyones dps and kick the low dps when low dps is making the whole group fail?


If a healer doesnt heal, you can kick them and if a tank doesnt get mobs under control and have them running around, you kikc them as well, so i want to kick dps that dont do their job.

Because the reason for wanting pasers should not be so we can exclude others from grouping with us without even giving them a chance to improve. Parsers should be used as tools to improve, not to weed out the scrubs. SE does not want us abusing eachother and excluding people from groups, but giving us personal parsers that allow us to judge our own progress is something that they might one day agree with.

[loreleidiangelo]

Because the reason for wanting pasers should not be so we can exclude others from grouping with us without even giving them a chance to improve. Parsers should be used as tools to improve, not to weed out the scrubs. SE does not want us abusing eachother and excluding people from groups, but giving us personal parsers that allow us to judge our own progress is something that they might one day agree with.

But how many times have a tank or healer been kicked for not "doing their job properly" before anyone has even tried to offer constructive advice?

Let's stop with the double standards please; DPS are not immune to some method of gauging their performance simply because there's more than one of them that can "pick up the slack".