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    Player
    Gralna's Avatar
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    Gralya Arodica
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    Goblin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asierid View Post
    Yeah. They are called parsers.
    Parser is just one of many tools they use, Blue Garter themselves even said the tool they use that helps them most, is recording their fights and watching them afterwards to see where they can do better, voip is also used amongst them for faster communication of tactics. I'd say by now that most bleeding edge statics hardly bother with parsers, since most of them know their jobs inside and out, and how to optimize dps.
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    Etoile Kallera
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    Mateus
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    If people are going to primarily use parsers to kick people and wreck df parties, then i'd rather they not be included.
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    Last edited by Kallera; 07-22-2015 at 08:58 AM.

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    M'irau Rhya
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    If people are going to primarily use parsers to kick people and wreck df parties, then i'd rather they not be included.
    But they are not.
    All this is a big illusion made out of some weird paranoia.

    Look at other games, there is proof this happens way less then some people seem to think.
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    Ririnzo Roronzo
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    Yes it does need to be added. A personal parser should have been added a long time ago. Also as someone who dpsed a long time in a mmo that did show personal dps to others, issues were less than people fear but im fine with it just being personal too.
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    Last edited by Orbiaus; 07-22-2015 at 10:06 AM.

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    KaijinRhada's Avatar
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    Jaou Stormchaser
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    Ultros
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    I'll say what I said in another thread on the note of parsers:

    The world and social network in this game isn't going to suddenly come crashing down because of the addition of a damage meter. People will be jerks regardless and I think the impact people think it will have on the community is a bit overblown. You're already beholden to a standard without parsers (ilvl and experience), the only thing this will add is that you will have numbers to back up your standing or not, because let's face it, people can get higher ilvl and still have lots of room for improvement, to put it kindly.

    Getting mechanics down via practice is good and all, but you should optimize your DPS along with it and not having a meter really leaves it up in the air of how well you are performing and how consistent it is. It's a matter of better telling you what direction to go in terms of where you can improve. In the end, mods don't kill game communities, and this type of harassment isn't as prevalent in games that have a meter available as people claim.

    Be it personal or not, having one in game would be advantageous to any player.
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    Saerin Zei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
    Oh boy, this is the new excuse now?
    I got lucky? I got over a decade in mmo's and i got lucky?
    You are so far overreacting it's no longer funny.
    I take my leave here, a wall is a better communication partner, at least that one doesn't try to turn facts into "luck".
    Shh. It's ok. How dare we judge the individual when it comes to completing the task as a group and fail to dps checks...numerous times. How dare we say a person must carry their weight, just like everyone else. What is this nonsense?

    /s
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    Sinystrad Daxx
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    Exodus
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    The people on both sides will never see eye to eye on this. One side wants everyone to be accountable for their performance while participating in group content. The other side only wants some people(healers & tanks) to be held accountable while participating in group content. The crazy thing about this is that the people who don't want everyone treated equally have taken the position that those those that want it equal are mean and elitist. If more than half of the people in your group want to wait for someone to replace you because they think your performance is so poor they cannot complete the encounter with you, how is that wrong? If you are under-performing and don't understand why, you could post a parse and ask for some help. I know some tool might insult you, so what. Plenty of good people would fall over themselves trying to give you quality advice on how to improve. How can people help you if they don't know what you are doing and when.

    When I ran cutting edge raiding guilds, I took moms who had never played MMOs and turned them into top performers after seeing just once parse from an entire raid. It was either gear, rotation or situational awareness. I could tell them why they were dying, where the rotation was wrong ect. They were very grateful and were able to play with enormous confidence afterwards. I don't understand why anyone deny themselves such a useful tool. Wait here is answer that makes sense. They have no interested in putting in any effort to improve themselves and without meters no one has proof.
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    Last edited by Magusrex; 07-25-2015 at 02:12 AM.

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    Tyrial Highguard
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    Sargatanas
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    Warrior Lv 80
    People get kicked more often for failing mechanics than for low DPS. In the situation where I do find somebody performing poorly I usually try to help. If they are polite and accept said help I have no issue. When they act like tools and refuse they usually get kicked.
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    Khyan Leikas
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    Zodiark
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    An official parser is not needed. The actual parser is tolerated if you use it for your static or yourself. Just don't use it for blame other people.
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    Radxen Clyne
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khyan View Post
    An official parser is not needed. The actual parser is tolerated if you use it for your static or yourself. Just don't use it for blame other people.
    And what about ps4 players?
    Sure it's great if you are on PC, but this creates a huge rift between the machines.
    Wanna join a savage static, please post your parse from "some fight" in your application, well damn seems like I'm not gonna be able to join them.
    How frustrating it is to see that there are people who know what their dps is for most fights and PS players just sit there like: "well maybe I have enough dps for savage maybe I don't." ._.
    The negatives of a parser are already in the game guys, not having access to an official personal parser only makes it worse. Either SE needs to strictly put their foot down and and really ban the parsers or offer one that everyone can use.
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