Crafting is dead

[Aeyis]

@Beck,

I've bought quite a few of the materials on our server (Adamantoise) for 100k or close to that price. It's not on the Market board because I advertise in PF and my LS's

Actually, I bought one of the HQ (3 instead of 10) mats for 50k on the Market Board, the Bitter Foxglove thing, also I think a few other items sold for sub 100k.


Also, I have quite a few crafting V materias to put in the gear.

That's very nice to hear. There are zero crafting tier V's on my servers marketboard.
There are very few Tier V's on any server, so I'd like to hear where you obtained ''quite a few''

In addition, there are no materials like HQ items for 50k here, or on most servers I imagine.


But it's nice to hear the system is (or so we've been told) working out for someone!

[Ossom]

I've been transmuting since Heavensward came out. People sell Their Dex 4s and Fire 4s for like 6k, buy those out every other day or so and transmute them. Even if you don't get a 5, you usually make your money back to even double it from all the Gatherer and Crafter 4s that the transmute seems to favor giving out.

I'm pretty sure theres a dozen other people on my server doing it and so I really doubt no one on your server has any 5s, our Server already has like 2-3 sold on the Market Board. (I sold a Parry 5 for 1.5M like last week). So thats how I got mine, I'm welcome to show you what I have if you come to my server but there really is no need for that.

One thing you should realize is that none of our servers have identitical economies. So 50k on my server might be a completely different amount of economic power on your server. But I can assure you there are a few items that have sold for sub 100k on my server's Marketboard. Really there is no reason to lie about it. I've bought a Bitter Foxglove for 50k and I'm pretty sure some other Fox Gloves have sold for the same price or less on the MB. Also, I can link other items that I have bought for under 100k but I really have no way to prove that to you that I paid less than 100k without going out and finding my seller and making you believe them, but again that would just be a waste of time. I have no reason to lie, and anyways that entire comment was directed towards Beck because he is actually on my server.

[Thrustie]

That's fair Ossom. I haven't really advertised for private transactions so maybe there is a viable market out there. I haven't caught anything on the market board under 250k personally and I check fairly regularly but I could have missed the window obviously.

There's been a few tier 5 crafting materias sold on the MB on our server. I bought one of them myself. I'm doing the transmuting thing as well but either I have really bad luck or you have really good luck because the only tier 5 I've managed is an ice one I do agree it's pretty low risk though since you get a fair amount of crafting/gathering materia that mitigates a lot of the cost. I'm not really letting the obscurity of tier 5 materia stop me from melding on my 2 star gear though. It could be a long while before there's a reliable source of them.

[Kiyyto]

That's very nice to hear. There are zero crafting tier V's on my servers marketboard.
There are very few Tier V's on any server, so I'd like to hear where you obtained ''quite a few''

In addition, there are no materials like HQ items for 50k here, or on most servers I imagine.


But it's nice to hear the system is (or so we've been told) working out for someone!

There are a few crafting V on Coeurl, and they range from 7million (low) to 15 million (high)
All together I think there are less than 10 crafting V's available.

But... Who cares?
There is nothing to craft with them anyway, lol

[Sibyll]

The guy that bought my ooids made a ring to replace the NQ he made with his mats. I can see it on the MB lol.

It'd be funny if someone bought it, considering an HQ Hallowed would have better base stats and be easier to meld than an NQ Astral.

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing more of these mats on the board at a reasonable price (~50k each). I've farmed two off hands worth of mats and it's kind of tedious. I can understand the actual materials (ex: Purified Cokes etc.) having a large price tag as you are giving up both DoH and DoL red scrips to acquire those, but the ooids are easy to acquire.

[Kiyyto]

Are the ooids locked behind scrips too?
Thought those came from favors, which required scrips to get.

I haven't bothered spending any tokens yet, just capping every week.

[Aeyis]

The point is, it's nice if it's working out for you but that doesn't mean it's working out for the rest of us. I'm not sure how 2-3 tier V's of some worthless stats like parry really matter for this discussion tho. All we care about is crafting tier V's. Transmutation isnt a reliable way to get them by any means.

[Lastelli]

Has a way to obtain tier V materias been figured out already? Is there a change to obtain them from converting ilvl 150 gear?

[Ossom]

@Aeyis, actually, I got 1 Crafter's Command 5, 1 Crafter's Competence 5 and 2 Crafter's Cunning 5s, Thought I put the Command and Competence in a Wvr Body piece already. I think that matters to the discussion. If you wanna see the body piece, check the Adamantoise MB.

Anyways, this is starting to sound like i'm bragging and that's not really the point.

I'm just trying to say that you can get what you want if you actually go out and try to get it, I'm not saying its gonna be super easy or fast but its possible.

You don't need to pay Marketboard pricing on materials that rarely sell, advertise in party finder and you can usually get a discount when sellers have an immediate buyer. Along with that you can easily trade the materials you get for ones you need since you'll usually end up just under or just over the amount you need because SE screwed us with the favor system.

Along with this, Vs have been in the game for over a month now and they are definitely possible to get. They aren't gonna fall in your lap, you gotta go get them, if they are on the Market Board, they are gonna be super expensive. If you wanna be one of the best/first/most gear crafters on your server you don't need to be the richest, you just have to play smart.

I'm all for complaining, I mean sheesh I hate the new system but while we suffer through it might as well take advantage of it.

[Sibyll]

The point is, it's nice if it's working.....

I think in concept the scrip system has potential. However, it currently isn't working either because the rate people acquire scrips is too low or people are hoarding their scrips/mats for personal use which removes the option for a pure crafter to buy the ooids off the board. The latter of course could be caused also by the acquisition rate being too low.

I think the current system is designed in such a way that turning a few nods/dials could fix a lot of the issues people are having with it, except for the lack of relevant recipes...