Crafting is dead

[Yeldir]

I spent 60 million from 50-60 and managed to hold Server First and Server's only Grandmaster for 4 days running. I made it back almost 4 times over due to my investment.

Selling exclusively to crafters and gathers, who are going to turn around and sell to crafters and gatherers as well, who are going to turn around and sell to no one. The tracks end there in a chasm. That's where the train derails, and crafting dies in a smoking abyss.

TLDR: When people have their AFs, the endgame crafting market - the very idea of which is a mirage - will vanish like the smoke it is. There is nothing to craft with those AFs.

[Hanmerreborn]

You wont once youve actually gone through the full effort required just to make one item.

You cant just ask people to craft items for you anymore, because their weekly materials are limited. Currently in my mind making someone a crafters i170 is the same as making them a thavnarian dress, for free.

Lol more like 50 dresses. Because at least you can buy dragon maps for far cheaper than anything needed for an i170. And can be gotten daily with no RNG needed at all.

[Seyb]

Lol more like 50 dresses. Because at least you can buy dragon maps for far cheaper than anything needed for an i170. And can be gotten daily with no RNG needed at all.

Let's be honest, you are hurting yourselves unnecessarily. I understand the sentiment to become BiS, but you don't need it right now. Once it becomes a necessity, mats should be more accessible. As is now, you can get one craft to the minimum crafts and control for 2 stars by spending five weeks worth of scrips without doing any overmelds on the other gear! You won't spend a lot of money for it either, if you're an omnicrafter (what most of you claim).

Quoted from the other thread:

Every 5 weeks I will buy a mainhand tool and a body armour for one of my crafters. This will get me to the minimum requirements for those 2 star crafts without any overmelds (except CP).
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R1A4

[Hanmerreborn]

Let's be honest, you are hurting yourselves unnecessarily. I understand the sentiment to become BiS, but you don't need it right now. Once it becomes a necessity, mats should be more accessible. As is now, you can get one craft to the minimum crafts and control for 2 stars by spending five weeks worth of scrips without doing any overmelds on the other gear! You won't spend a lot of money for it either, if you're an omnicrafter (what most of you claim).

Quoted from the other thread:

Hey guys, you see this? You only have to spend 5 weeks to get a tool for your craft. So it's all good. Just close the thread down everyone.

Let's lock Expert dungeon finder behind esoteric tokens (50 per queue) with their current payouts and limits, and if you don't get a queue pop within 3 minutes or go into combat during that time you lose the tokens immediately.


And if you get a bad group, too bad, no mats for you.

And you have to do the dungeon successfully 10 times with 3 different classes to get a single piece of gear.

2.0 gear had plenty of options to make gear without requiring ANY other class to craft. Leveling other crafters made it EASIER through cross-classing, but was no where near a requirement.

3.0 you can't even make a gear without needing at least one other profession maxed out, when the biggest draw (at least for me) was all this talk of specialization and not needing to be an omnicrafter anymore. It's the biggest bait and switch I've ever seen.

Now you can't even make stuff without needing to get red scripts on your gatherer by spending a ton of gil to meld all his stuff to hit the 650 cap to then gather to then spend those red scripts on a chance of success to get a couple mats that isn't enough to make a single item that also requires crafting red scripts which requires you to basically piss money away through the collectible system to get in the first place to make a single item after 5 weeks.

[Seyb]

Hey guys, you see this? You only have to spend 5 weeks to get a tool for your craft. So it's all good. Just close the thread down everyone.

Now you can't even make stuff without needing to get red scripts on your gatherer by spending a ton of gil to meld all his stuff to hit the 650 cap to then gather to then spend those red scripts on a chance of success to get a couple mats that isn't enough to make a single item that also requires crafting red scripts which requires you to basically piss money away through the collectible system to get in the first place to make a single item after 5 weeks.

1. It's 3 weeks for a tool. How could you miss that?
2. Your comparison makes no sense.
3. You're too hung up on red scrips. Take your time off and relax.

[Alahra]

1. It's 3 weeks for a tool. How could you miss that?

The very post you quoted said 5 weeks, which is what they were responding to.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Wonder how are japanese DoH/DoL reacting to this.

[Nezerius]

The very post you quoted said 5 weeks, which is what they were responding to.

The post he quoted specifically states:

Every 5 weeks I will buy a mainhand tool and a body armour for one of my crafters.

As the mainhand tool needs 3 weeks worth of scrips, and the chestpiece needs 2 weeks worth of scrips.

[Ossom]

I think spending 5 Weeks to get a tool and a body piece that is already not the BiS is gonna hurt you in the long run, because what happens in 6 Months when you don't have the craft and control to do the 3 star? You can't meld anything to raise the caps so you are gonna need to start over from square one.

In the 3.0 Chimerical set you can already meet the crafting caps to craft the new 2 Star gear so there is no reason to spend red scrips on getting a Non Bis Tool and a Non Bis Body piece.

[Lastelli]

Well, I admit this just seems impossible. I love crafting, I was a omnicrafter back in 2.x, it was a nice challenge and you could almost always see the rewards for your efforts. I could buy a house, minions, everything I wanted, I saved some 60mils (ehich is not much, I know) gil to be ready for HW...but this is just endless grinding. I'm taking a step back. Good luck fellow crafters.