Crafting is dead

[Snugglebutt]

Red scrip on the other hand are only for crafters who dedicate to it and are used to buy gear AND materials i.e.: if you want gear to make the rest of it yourself you will use red scrip to buy it with token. If you don't youll have to pay ridiculous amounts of money to buy it. Vice versa: You can buy materials in the beginning and sell it for ridiculous amounts but then you dont have the token to make the gear yourself so you have to spend a huge amount of money to get it.

You forgot one example, working together with others in order to complete a task.

Buying materials or grinding all the scripts required are not the only options, just like how FC crafting requires multiple people present and best approached by working together to share the burden of gathering all the materials to craft things like airships etc. The specialist system is here to stay and as someone else pointed out it would not just be the rich buying the materials, you could potentially get rich from selling your own then using that gil to purchase what you cannot craft yourself.

Another point is even very few omni-crafters could craft everything themselves prior to these scripts, people who had capped all the crafting classes levels, gear and all master books etc were a tiny minority or the playerbase. I find it ironic that people are whining about the few supposedly rich people/FC's that might get a head start by spending their gil that they probably had to work hard to get more than you...yet don't see people here applying that same logic to the few people who worked hard to level and cap, gear and gain master books which have them the same advantage over others. The only real difference between the two is one worked hard to gain gil the other worked hard to level, gear and obtain books...both however comprise of the few having a slight advantage over the majority of others.

People in here are being hypocrites in their efforts to craft a flawed excuse against red scripts. There are legitimate issues with red scripts such as the low cap and high price of materials but this argument against people buying materials because through their hard work are rich enough to do so not one of them. Especially since it is not only hypocritical to take that stance but also ignores the fact you could become rich yourself selling to them and then buying any you cannot craft yourself with that gil.

[Synestra]

Especially since it is not only hypocritical to take that stance but also ignores the fact you could become rich yourself selling to them and then buying any you cannot craft yourself with that gil.

Well said. And this is excatly what im planning to do with both crafting and gathering, im not planning to go top-tier crafter myself as i already know those that will go for it so i just ask them to craft whatever i might need in future. If anything i love how hard it is to get materials atm as it means prices will be dirty high for long time and i like the sound of that €_€

[Aeyis]

Well said. And this is excatly what im planning to do with both crafting and gathering, im not planning to go top-tier crafter myself as i already know those that will go for it so i just ask them to craft whatever i might need in future. If anything i love how hard it is to get materials atm as it means prices will be dirty high for long time and i like the sound of that €_€

You wont once youve actually gone through the full effort required just to make one item.

You cant just ask people to craft items for you anymore, because their weekly materials are limited. Currently in my mind making someone a crafters i170 is the same as making them a thavnarian dress, for free.

[Hanmerreborn]

You wont once youve actually gone through the full effort required just to make one item.

You cant just ask people to craft items for you anymore, because their weekly materials are limited. Currently in my mind making someone a crafters i170 is the same as making them a thavnarian dress, for free.

Lol more like 50 dresses. Because at least you can buy dragon maps for far cheaper than anything needed for an i170. And can be gotten daily with no RNG needed at all.

[Seyb]

Lol more like 50 dresses. Because at least you can buy dragon maps for far cheaper than anything needed for an i170. And can be gotten daily with no RNG needed at all.

Let's be honest, you are hurting yourselves unnecessarily. I understand the sentiment to become BiS, but you don't need it right now. Once it becomes a necessity, mats should be more accessible. As is now, you can get one craft to the minimum crafts and control for 2 stars by spending five weeks worth of scrips without doing any overmelds on the other gear! You won't spend a lot of money for it either, if you're an omnicrafter (what most of you claim).

Quoted from the other thread:

Every 5 weeks I will buy a mainhand tool and a body armour for one of my crafters. This will get me to the minimum requirements for those 2 star crafts without any overmelds (except CP).
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R1A4

[Hanmerreborn]

Let's be honest, you are hurting yourselves unnecessarily. I understand the sentiment to become BiS, but you don't need it right now. Once it becomes a necessity, mats should be more accessible. As is now, you can get one craft to the minimum crafts and control for 2 stars by spending five weeks worth of scrips without doing any overmelds on the other gear! You won't spend a lot of money for it either, if you're an omnicrafter (what most of you claim).

Quoted from the other thread:

Hey guys, you see this? You only have to spend 5 weeks to get a tool for your craft. So it's all good. Just close the thread down everyone.

Let's lock Expert dungeon finder behind esoteric tokens (50 per queue) with their current payouts and limits, and if you don't get a queue pop within 3 minutes or go into combat during that time you lose the tokens immediately.


And if you get a bad group, too bad, no mats for you.

And you have to do the dungeon successfully 10 times with 3 different classes to get a single piece of gear.

2.0 gear had plenty of options to make gear without requiring ANY other class to craft. Leveling other crafters made it EASIER through cross-classing, but was no where near a requirement.

3.0 you can't even make a gear without needing at least one other profession maxed out, when the biggest draw (at least for me) was all this talk of specialization and not needing to be an omnicrafter anymore. It's the biggest bait and switch I've ever seen.

Now you can't even make stuff without needing to get red scripts on your gatherer by spending a ton of gil to meld all his stuff to hit the 650 cap to then gather to then spend those red scripts on a chance of success to get a couple mats that isn't enough to make a single item that also requires crafting red scripts which requires you to basically piss money away through the collectible system to get in the first place to make a single item after 5 weeks.

[Seyb]

Hey guys, you see this? You only have to spend 5 weeks to get a tool for your craft. So it's all good. Just close the thread down everyone.

Now you can't even make stuff without needing to get red scripts on your gatherer by spending a ton of gil to meld all his stuff to hit the 650 cap to then gather to then spend those red scripts on a chance of success to get a couple mats that isn't enough to make a single item that also requires crafting red scripts which requires you to basically piss money away through the collectible system to get in the first place to make a single item after 5 weeks.

1. It's 3 weeks for a tool. How could you miss that?
2. Your comparison makes no sense.
3. You're too hung up on red scrips. Take your time off and relax.