Crafting is dead

[Magistrella]

There may be an issue with red scripts but it is having little to no effect on the economy of my world. If anything the economy is thriving due to all the new recipes and materials despite any complaints you have about blue or red scripts. I have been making money almost as fast as I have been spending it and that is thanks to how vibrant the crafting community currently is in their desire to craft.

Difference of Open world gathering and scrip:

Everyone could gather shit and nearly everyone levels up a crafter at the beginning so prices spike until supply settles, which is pretty quick 2-3 weeks to reasonable prices if gatherable.

Red scrip on the other hand are only for crafters who dedicate to it and are used to buy gear AND materials i.e.: if you want gear to make the rest of it yourself you will use red scrip to buy it with token. If you don't youll have to pay ridiculous amounts of money to buy it. Vice versa: You can buy materials in the beginning and sell it for ridiculous amounts but then you dont have the token to make the gear yourself so you have to spend a huge amount of money to get it.

Which means: Supply will settle at a much lower rate depending how many people decide to sell mats. You can only get 9 token per week and with those 9 token you can only get 45 materials (5 needed for one material to make) per week. Remember: a non lvl 60 crafter will not be able to get those, which will lead to ridiculous prices for a long time. Ehcatl sealant was available to everyone who leveld Ixali to the max and the prices still skyrocketed. Not to mention: We need shitty Master and field III demi materia AGAIN to craft the gear. Which makes it even more ridiculous.


Oh and: You will have to bother with annoying atherial reduction if you want to be able to craft stuff. So better have all gatherers at max too or pay 1m+ for a mat

[Snugglebutt]

Red scrip on the other hand are only for crafters who dedicate to it and are used to buy gear AND materials i.e.: if you want gear to make the rest of it yourself you will use red scrip to buy it with token. If you don't youll have to pay ridiculous amounts of money to buy it. Vice versa: You can buy materials in the beginning and sell it for ridiculous amounts but then you dont have the token to make the gear yourself so you have to spend a huge amount of money to get it.

You forgot one example, working together with others in order to complete a task.

Buying materials or grinding all the scripts required are not the only options, just like how FC crafting requires multiple people present and best approached by working together to share the burden of gathering all the materials to craft things like airships etc. The specialist system is here to stay and as someone else pointed out it would not just be the rich buying the materials, you could potentially get rich from selling your own then using that gil to purchase what you cannot craft yourself.

Another point is even very few omni-crafters could craft everything themselves prior to these scripts, people who had capped all the crafting classes levels, gear and all master books etc were a tiny minority or the playerbase. I find it ironic that people are whining about the few supposedly rich people/FC's that might get a head start by spending their gil that they probably had to work hard to get more than you...yet don't see people here applying that same logic to the few people who worked hard to level and cap, gear and gain master books which have them the same advantage over others. The only real difference between the two is one worked hard to gain gil the other worked hard to level, gear and obtain books...both however comprise of the few having a slight advantage over the majority of others.

People in here are being hypocrites in their efforts to craft a flawed excuse against red scripts. There are legitimate issues with red scripts such as the low cap and high price of materials but this argument against people buying materials because through their hard work are rich enough to do so not one of them. Especially since it is not only hypocritical to take that stance but also ignores the fact you could become rich yourself selling to them and then buying any you cannot craft yourself with that gil.

[Synestra]

Especially since it is not only hypocritical to take that stance but also ignores the fact you could become rich yourself selling to them and then buying any you cannot craft yourself with that gil.

Well said. And this is excatly what im planning to do with both crafting and gathering, im not planning to go top-tier crafter myself as i already know those that will go for it so i just ask them to craft whatever i might need in future. If anything i love how hard it is to get materials atm as it means prices will be dirty high for long time and i like the sound of that €_€

[Aeyis]

Well said. And this is excatly what im planning to do with both crafting and gathering, im not planning to go top-tier crafter myself as i already know those that will go for it so i just ask them to craft whatever i might need in future. If anything i love how hard it is to get materials atm as it means prices will be dirty high for long time and i like the sound of that €_€

You wont once youve actually gone through the full effort required just to make one item.

You cant just ask people to craft items for you anymore, because their weekly materials are limited. Currently in my mind making someone a crafters i170 is the same as making them a thavnarian dress, for free.

[giantslayer]

My 2 Gil is that this sounds about as bad as 4-star when it was first introduced. A good week or two after patch, Ehcatl Sealants were around half a million Gil a pop. I had estimated the cost of buying all the Ehcatl Sealants, MCDs, and FC3s necessary for full gear to about 40 million Gil. All that for what? To make sub-par i110 left side gear that used COIL DROPS. Allagan leathers were 500-800k a pop for months on my server.

I basically said screw this, I'm going to gear myself with Poetics, use 3-star to make Gil, and hope prices come down eventually.

I look at this and have to wonder is it really that much worse? Mats gated behind red scrips instead of coils? Red scrips instead of Ehcatl sealants? At least you don't have to grind pointless Ixali crap for months to be able to get red scrips like you did for Ehcatl sealants.

[scarebearz]

I look at this and have to wonder is it really that much worse? Mats gated behind red scrips instead of coils? Red scrips instead of Ehcatl sealants? At least you don't have to grind pointless Ixali crap for months to be able to get red scrips like you did for Ehcatl sealants.

The weekly cap is 450, you need for example 300 to get enough mats to *attempt* to craft it in HQ (NQ would be worthless, as it's no good for glam, being a re-skin).

Looks like they will only be avaliable to players with lvl 58+ main class and lvl 56+ crafts at least.

If the above is correct, then end-game crafting in 3.0 will be an utter waste of time/gil.

[Espritduo]

The difference is even casual non-crafters could get and sell sealant from doing extremely simple beastman dailiies. Many, many, many, many did. It's why the system worked at all. Unless red scrips are equally easy to get, you will not be seeing anyone but the top-end crafters getting them. And a top-end crafter will not be selling the mats you can buy with them, at least not for anything less than 10mil-50mil a piece. I know I wouldn't sell such a precious commodity for less.

[scarebearz]

The difference is even casual non-crafters could get and sell sealant from doing extremely simple beastman dailiies.

Sealants were also only used for the crafer/gather gears, these new gated mats will be used for all.

[Yumi_umi]

Inb4 selling hq moonbeam thread, 5 mil a piece.

[Espritduo]

If they're dumb enough to sell it that cheap, you'd be a fool not to buy it. Like I said, I expect, if anyone actually decides to sell these, it will be for bare minimum 10mil a piece, most likely rising much higher, and that's just for the raw mats themselves, let alone an actual HQ crafted mat like moonbeam thread. The actual gear I'd bet would sit at 50-100mil a piece if anyone actually tried to sell that.