Crafting is dead

[Aeyis]

@Beck,

I've bought quite a few of the materials on our server (Adamantoise) for 100k or close to that price. It's not on the Market board because I advertise in PF and my LS's

Actually, I bought one of the HQ (3 instead of 10) mats for 50k on the Market Board, the Bitter Foxglove thing, also I think a few other items sold for sub 100k.


Also, I have quite a few crafting V materias to put in the gear.

That's very nice to hear. There are zero crafting tier V's on my servers marketboard.
There are very few Tier V's on any server, so I'd like to hear where you obtained ''quite a few''

In addition, there are no materials like HQ items for 50k here, or on most servers I imagine.


But it's nice to hear the system is (or so we've been told) working out for someone!

[Kiyyto]

That's very nice to hear. There are zero crafting tier V's on my servers marketboard.
There are very few Tier V's on any server, so I'd like to hear where you obtained ''quite a few''

In addition, there are no materials like HQ items for 50k here, or on most servers I imagine.


But it's nice to hear the system is (or so we've been told) working out for someone!

There are a few crafting V on Coeurl, and they range from 7million (low) to 15 million (high)
All together I think there are less than 10 crafting V's available.

But... Who cares?
There is nothing to craft with them anyway, lol

[Ossom]

I've been transmuting since Heavensward came out. People sell Their Dex 4s and Fire 4s for like 6k, buy those out every other day or so and transmute them. Even if you don't get a 5, you usually make your money back to even double it from all the Gatherer and Crafter 4s that the transmute seems to favor giving out.

I'm pretty sure theres a dozen other people on my server doing it and so I really doubt no one on your server has any 5s, our Server already has like 2-3 sold on the Market Board. (I sold a Parry 5 for 1.5M like last week). So thats how I got mine, I'm welcome to show you what I have if you come to my server but there really is no need for that.

One thing you should realize is that none of our servers have identitical economies. So 50k on my server might be a completely different amount of economic power on your server. But I can assure you there are a few items that have sold for sub 100k on my server's Marketboard. Really there is no reason to lie about it. I've bought a Bitter Foxglove for 50k and I'm pretty sure some other Fox Gloves have sold for the same price or less on the MB. Also, I can link other items that I have bought for under 100k but I really have no way to prove that to you that I paid less than 100k without going out and finding my seller and making you believe them, but again that would just be a waste of time. I have no reason to lie, and anyways that entire comment was directed towards Beck because he is actually on my server.

[Thrustie]

That's fair Ossom. I haven't really advertised for private transactions so maybe there is a viable market out there. I haven't caught anything on the market board under 250k personally and I check fairly regularly but I could have missed the window obviously.

There's been a few tier 5 crafting materias sold on the MB on our server. I bought one of them myself. I'm doing the transmuting thing as well but either I have really bad luck or you have really good luck because the only tier 5 I've managed is an ice one I do agree it's pretty low risk though since you get a fair amount of crafting/gathering materia that mitigates a lot of the cost. I'm not really letting the obscurity of tier 5 materia stop me from melding on my 2 star gear though. It could be a long while before there's a reliable source of them.

[Aeyis]

The point is, it's nice if it's working out for you but that doesn't mean it's working out for the rest of us. I'm not sure how 2-3 tier V's of some worthless stats like parry really matter for this discussion tho. All we care about is crafting tier V's. Transmutation isnt a reliable way to get them by any means.

[Sibyll]

The point is, it's nice if it's working.....

I think in concept the scrip system has potential. However, it currently isn't working either because the rate people acquire scrips is too low or people are hoarding their scrips/mats for personal use which removes the option for a pure crafter to buy the ooids off the board. The latter of course could be caused also by the acquisition rate being too low.

I think the current system is designed in such a way that turning a few nods/dials could fix a lot of the issues people are having with it, except for the lack of relevant recipes...

[scarebearz]

I think the current system is designed in such a way that turning a few nods/dials could fix a lot of the issues people are having with it, except for the lack of relevant recipes...

I agree with the first part, but the recipes I think are ok, if they were *a lot* easier to access the mats.

Like they don't want crafted gear to be used in raids... fine, but why make such insane gates on getting weakish gear.

[Aeyis]

I agree with the first part, but the recipes I think are ok, if they were *a lot* easier to access the mats.

Like they don't want crafted gear to be used in raids... fine, but why make such insane gates on getting weakish gear.

Yes. Either make them incredibly useful (actual hard to make glamour HQ or bust, BiS battle equipment or on par with raiding items, etc), or remove the scrips system.

[Sibyll]

I agree with the first part, but the recipes I think are ok, if they were *a lot* easier to access the mats.

Like they don't want crafted gear to be used in raids... fine, but why make such insane gates on getting weakish gear.

Probably because the DoH gear is gated by the same set of materials and they don't want people getting all those items right off the go. But yea, I don't understand why they make crafting into a full time job for little return.

[scarebearz]

Probably because the DoH gear is gated by the same set of materials and they don't want people getting all those items right off the go.

That's true, but the fact they share the same mats makes little difference really, e.g. how many items for DoM/DoW Or DoH items have even been for sale in total? On my server it's less than 10.

So many things wrong with this new system xD

But as you said before, a few tweeks and it could be fine.

My suggestion would be to:

Double red scrip gain from hand-in items for both DoH/DoL.

Reduce favor items needed to hand in e.g. 10 + 10 ooids/bladeleaf would become 3 + 3, roundstone/rare mat would go from 3 + 3 to 1 + 1.

Triple red scrip weekly allowance for DoH/DoL.