Crafting is dead

[Alexiell]

the worst part of the grind is doing favors, if getting scrips was all it takes id be very pleased >.<

[Sartori]

Yeah I'm not doing anything else for gear progression after I get everything to 60. They are going to have to make some drastic changes to this red scrip nonsense for me to continue. Which is really sad as gathering and crafting is one of the reasons I play this game....

[Hoobala_Boobala]

My personal view is SE took a lazy approach to end game crafting and gathering without actually thinking why gatherers and crafter's play those classes. They've look at end game battle classes where the meta is to max gear to deal more damage and thought "lets make end game gathering and crafting about gearing up, players only play to get better gear don't they?", but IMO this is not want gather's or crafter's want. They want end game to be about playing the marketboard, economics, making gil and helping out friends with their crafting and gathering skills. The scrip system does not allow for any of this as anything from the highest tier of crafting will be so exorbitantly expensive that normal players will not be able to afford it, and even if they could; wouldn't since they can gear up so fast with law, alexander (normal) and esoterics.

IMO the way SE should have done red scrips:
1) Capped red scripts should only have ever been used as an alternative way to get high level gathering and crafting gear in a cheap but slow progression sort of way.
2) Capping access to high level crafting materials behind the same system is the main problem and has killed off end game crafting/gathering - take materials out of the red script system and put them somewhere else either:
a) Blue scrips since these are not capped
b) Level 60 dungeons drops (gets DoW/DoW back into the crafting cycle)
c) Centurio seals/tomestones of law (gets DoW/DoW back into the crafting cycle)
d) Grand company seals
e) New gathering folklore nodes or existing
f) All of the above
If they won't make the above changes then uncapping red scrips will offer a less satisfactory improvement but at least removes the weekly limit on raw materials.
If they won't uncap red scrips then the battle class gear from crafting should be equivalent to Esoterics i200 and upgradable from savage drops in the same way to i210.

Effort =/= reward atm and the frankly the actual "game" of crafting and gathering (at the highest level/endgame) is no longer fun

[Magistrella]

Effort =/= reward atm and the frankly the actual "game" of crafting and gathering (at the highest level/endgame) is no longer fun

Lucis was bad enough, you could do anything without it. This grind is even worse, and if the fun is taken out of a game its not a game anymore but work. And while working i at least get my monthly wage. 11.5hrs of favors plus 15+ times of getting gathering scrip plus the time getting mats for crafting red scrip.

Casual? I wanna see if a casual got 20+hrs (and motivation to even try) per week just to be able to craft for craftings sake - i for my part as an all 60 crafting/gathering 8 days in 3.0 am done with it until they change something. If they dont, well, they might loose a customer with 720 days active subscription once im done with all battle classes. Im still undecided, but if i cant gear my classes to a proper level without putting 20+hrs per week in - leveling battle classes only gets you so far...

[nickyblaze]

just grinded my first 450 scripts, roughly 30 of the same item, close to 200 crafts to make these items, I cant wait to do this week after week, crafting a small variation of the same item week after week after week! I think im going to work on this before bed, forsure itll put me to sleep.

I was hoping that instead of purchasing all these items with the same tokens, theyd be put into the crafting log, with different combinations of mats making it interesting and unique like the level 55 gear. This is bland and boring, grind intensive, repetitive.

Not a fan of this system, nor the tome system either, grind the same dungeon over and over, pass on all the useless loot and obtain the same tome week after week to obtain armor that everyone else is using, like an ffxiv uniform.

[LongsunZhao]

It's not that I cannot help friend. I can and do with old crafts. But at the present moment. I've been given 450 red scripts a week to obtain and I can't get any. This is because of a few reasons. Many of the items requested in the food I need to supply are fish based. Other items involve butter made from a new type of milk dropped in Coretheas. But this recipe would take absolute ages to gather for, and then I would need to make around 40 of them because red scripts are so low in how many given. It's not worth it. Not only that, there is only one craft a day, which has for the last two days been the fish based one.

And not only are this red scipts unavailable to me. So are the crafts. When available at HQ. It will cost me far more then I'm worth.

Until this changes, I won't be bothering with crafts, which is awful since it's half of my game.

[Seyb]

It's not that I cannot help friend. I can and do with old crafts. But at the present moment. I've been given 450 red scripts a week to obtain and I can't get any. This is because of a few reasons. Many of the items requested in the food I need to supply are fish based. Other items involve butter made from a new type of milk dropped in Coretheas. But this recipe would take absolute ages to gather for, and then I would need to make around 40 of them because red scripts are so low in how many given. It's not worth it. Not only that, there is only one craft a day, which has for the last two days been the fish based one.

Thanks, your argument makes much more sense now. I see why you cannot profit from the red scrips. I'm not sure if S-E wanted to save them for only the hardcores and omnicrafters or if it's meant as a giant gil sinkhole.

To me, crafting is dead.

Interesting to hear from an omnicrafter and -gatherer. Time will tell how it all evolves.

[Xerius]

They wanted to breathe new life into the economy and accidentally strangled it to death in the process.

[Alwaysatodds]

One of the biggest issues is that there is not nearly enough differentiation in leveling items from 50-60 coupled with the fact that you can buy the same normal quality items off of vendors. This combination limits considerably the number of items that actually sell and are profitable, and because of that everyone is selling the same 50 or 60 items, dropping down prices, making the competition ridiculous, and generally taking a lot of fun and interest away from crafting overall. If SE wants to gate all the best items; fine, whatever, I'm not really gonna be participating until they change it, but in the interim add more regular items to buy and sell.

[GunnarWolfram]

You know today I got deep fried okeanis, this much like Marron Glace is not terrible. The mats can be gathered by a lvl 58 retainer which allows for 3 crafts an hour. Only issue is you need 45 crafts to cap, so it's a bit of a grind. I feel like I won't cap but it's a start.