Applications Vs Registrations

[Fullmetal]

video games are serious business

[KaiKatzchen]

That's great and not stressful in the least. hehe ^-^ I'm happy that you would at least consider someone like me.
My lack of wanting to do an app has nothing to do with lazyness as some suggest. I've always been one for excellent attendance to LS events, required or not, just because I enjoy them so much. I've been LS secretary, keeping track of all sorts of info in a few linkshells. It's not fair to be so quick to judge and assume about someone who dislikes apps. :3 Some of us are good people! XD (I wasn't saying you were judging Kai, I was referring to some other posts ^^)
Your LS as you described it earlier sounds very fun and full of nice people. I don't have a linkshell in FFXIV yet, it's a shame you're not on Besaid cuz you sound like my kinda people!
If I had to do an app, to register but knew I'd be in anyways I could relax a bit and have more fun I think. :3

I hope I find a nice LS like yours on Besaid Kai. ^-^/

Yeah to be honest we try to be nice about it... if someone applies and we don't know who they are and have questions then someone contacts them and tries to get to know them/hangs out/parties etc. You can't really judge someone off an app so you have to get to know them! But like I said, many of the people who apply are people who we have partied with or have friends/family in the shell already.

I know you weren't saying I was judging etc... I was just trying to show that every shell that asks for apps aren't bad people, or don't want to help, or don't treat people who get in nice. I really really love the people in my shell and enjoy being with them, we are a big family. Even now we are chatting on mumble, doing parties and helping, crafting and laughing at the conversation we are having while chatting. XD

It is a shame that you aren't on Mysidia, but I do wish you the best of luck on Besaid! I hope that you find a nice shell and enjoy the game! Best of luck and stay happy!!!

<3

[Nabiri]

Yeah to be honest we try to be nice about it... if someone applies and we don't know who they are and have questions then someone contacts them and tries to get to know them/hangs out/parties etc. You can't really judge someone off an app so you have to get to know them! But like I said, many of the people who apply are people who we have partied with or have friends/family in the shell already.

I know you weren't saying I was judging etc... I was just trying to show that every shell that asks for apps aren't bad people, or don't want to help, or don't treat people who get in nice. I really really love the people in my shell and enjoy being with them, we are a big family. Even now we are chatting on mumble, doing parties and helping, crafting and laughing at the conversation we are having while chatting. XD

It is a shame that you aren't on Mysidia, but I do wish you the best of luck on Besaid! I hope that you find a nice shell and enjoy the game! Best of luck and stay happy!!!

<3

Yeah, I'm really rooted into Besaid already. X3 So I couldn't leave here. I really love the RP community too. I think I'd like to join a non-rp LS though. I hope I find a group like yours.
Suddenly I feel motivated to find a really nice shell that fits me. >:3

Thanks for talking about your LS a bit. It's nice to see a more casual and friendly/family-like LS with apps. As I said, all my "app linkshells" have been anti-social towards new members, and full of jerks. XD I wouldn't judge all app linkshells like that, but I like hearing about the opposite since I've never seen it.

Thanks a ton and good luck with the shell! :3

[Fouluryu]

LMAO Pot meet Kettle, one could even go as far as saying "Do as I say not as I do." Your crying about a bad experience with linkshells on your server. From your posts it seems like you might be the source of those experiences. Keep your story straight, stop changing it around to suit your needs.

Notice the bold? That's plural. You're wrong. I applied one Ls. You need proof of my email too to prove this or are you just attempting to making me look bad making faulty claims? Again, I'm not sure I understand what you're talking. I'm a free lancer, not a controlled number being thrown at NMs. You're more than welcome to visit the youtube channel (MrFouluryu) as to see what went on to begin with before you start blindly defending a group unknowingly.

But in any case, it's just as the previous poster has mentioned. People can lie in applications. In game interview or what I like is Ls one week/two week trial based on performance, social conversation, & getting to know them. Now that's an application, that's showing an Ls leader that has compassion for its members, and not reading an app online who drinks coffee at work bragging about making 70k a year.

[KaiKatzchen]

Yeah, I'm really rooted into Besaid already. X3 So I couldn't leave here. I really love the RP community too. I think I'd like to join a non-rp LS though. I hope I find a group like yours.
Suddenly I feel motivated to find a really nice shell that fits me. >:3

Thanks for talking about your LS a bit. It's nice to see a more casual and friendly/family-like LS with apps. As I said, all my "app linkshells" have been anti-social towards new members, and full of jerks. XD I wouldn't judge all app linkshells like that, but I like hearing about the opposite since I've never seen it.

Thanks a ton and good luck with the shell! :3

Good luck to you too!!!!

[Nabiri]

In game interview or what I like is Ls one week/two week trial based on performance, social conversation, & getting to know them.

I prefer this! ^^
Being accepted into a LS on a trial basis I totally understand. Keep me for a week or two and if people don't like me, tell me I'm not right for your shell and kick me then, (but do be nice about it please! ^^; lol)

I understand XIV's kicking options are terrible right now though. ._. I really wish they'd fix that, so you can kick someone who isn't online if necessary. (Come on SE! >:3)

I suppose what I'm feeling is... it's good to make applying/invited members feel comfortable and welcome. An app can make a person stressed and feel like they have to prove themselves. So if it must be done.. be creative and friendly about it! :3
Try to be social to us new members instead of only talking with those you already trust. ^^/ We'll appreciate you and respect you all the more for it!

(Thanks to those who have differing opinions not attacking my opinion. I prefer when we can get along.)

[KaiKatzchen]

[COLOR="purple"]I understand XIV's kicking options are terrible right now though. ._. I really wish they'd fix that, so you can kick someone who isn't online if necessary. (Come on SE! >:3)

I honestly think this is one of the reason why so many people do the app thing and not the trial thing. The Leader of the shell honestly has no real power over the shell and have so many complications:

-Person has to be right by you to kick them.
-Can't kick them if they are in game but you don't know where they are.
-Can't kick them if they are offline.
-Etc...

It kinda sucks, and it's not really fair to the shell/leaders to have so many difficulties and so little power over their own shell. So I think people make up for that by trying to make sure the people they are getting in are going to work (as well as they can figure that out) by getting to know them and having apps to get a feel for them before letting them in.

That's why we try and get to know the person and I can honestly say we have had a really good run with the members he have gotten and have had very few problems in the year we have been around in game.

Also... No one should be rude to someone for having a differing opinion. Just because someone doesn't agree with another doesn't make that person wrong, it just means that we all have different views. Nothing wrong with differing views... it's just when people are being rude to others for having diffing views that I get annoyed. (Not towards you in any way!! )

You seem really nice, I wish ya the best of luck!

[NoctisUmbra]

Make an application with carefully composed questions.

Read application submission to get an idea of the player.

Confirm player's class levels. (if required)

Speak with player if their application is satisfactory. Get to know them a bit.

Have the player join an LS party for a trial run of some sort of event.

Invite player into LS with some confidence that they won't end up:

• leaving the game 2 days after joining
• logging on at all the wrong times that don't match your LS events schedule
• causing drama and breaking LS guidelines and - despite not being welcome -not bothering to leave the LS and essentially requiring an officer to hunt them down to oust them from LS since the management options are horrible at this point.

@ OP: Have you ran a Linkshell in this game? I don't mean a social one - even though it can be an issue for them too. If you haven't, then don't attempt to judge Linkshells that decide to use applications like you know anything.

[Raikki]

I like how the OP brought up his personal issues, then begged for people to talk about the topic instead of him, and then proceeded to elaborate on his personal issues some more, and then threatened people with the report button if they talked about his personal issues. That observation aside...

Guild leadership isn't always easy, especially in this game where every new member is likely to quit without saying a word within a few weeks if not days. Unless you're running a completely open LS (which is almost certain to fail spectacularly) some sort of pre-screening is going to happen. In my opinion invite-only using personal experience to selectively recruit is the most effective pre-screening, but for some people that doesn't provide a large enough pool of applicants. If someone wants to use applications and/or casual in-game interviews to pre-screen a larger pool of applicants, that's their choice.

But I can already hear your fingers tapping away on the reply, "oh my god, 'pre-screening', 'applicants', that sounds too much like a job I just wanna have fun!!!1" Proper pre-screening is essential to actually having fun in an LS. Do you really want to end up with "that guy who logs on every few weeks to complain about how much the game sucks" or "that guy who stops showing up to anything after he gets the loot he wanted"? How about an LS where you actually have to blacklist your own LSmates because they become a constant headache in LS chat? Those people spoil everyone's fun.

Of course, there are always going to be LS founders who have no idea wtf they're doing and simply attempt to copy what they think successful LSes do (website/forums, applications, DKP, ventrilo) and make Forgettable Generic LS #348. That's another story...

[Hikozaemon]

Anyone on Selbina is ok to join my LS "JerseyBloodshore" we do lots of GTL(gym/tan/laundry) and FPC(fistpumps/pushups/chapstick). You must be a douchebag, have greasy hair, wear smeedium wifebeaters, like to sleep in filthy stained sheet beds, drink on the job or in the game, leveling worthless culinarian like me and be in The Maelstorm Grand Company. No need to fill out an application you can tryout in the smash room with me. I give out one free First Response w/ every smash and chocobo fair. Must show I.D. NO discrimination Equal Opportunity Linkshell to people in the clique.

I feel like this anytime someone asks me to join a LS then fill out an application thank God for being in a Japanese only ls in ff11 for 8years.