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    Applications Vs Registrations

    I didn't think I'd had to post this but it seems that certain people make me want to slice live fish in the air. Humanity never ceases to amaze me how one attraction can lead to a popularity. Getting to the point, I want to discuss about Link shell applications & registrations.

    I want to talk about registration first. Registration is probably the most common and recommended way to keep a good roster of list of people that are registered in the link shell. You will also have things like events and what not to keep what is up to date. Simple and universal.

    However, there is also "applying" for a link shell which seems very offending for those who work and for those just want to play the game to escape from reality (gamer haven). Making an application is no different than applying for a job. But this isn't a job, instead, a game, so why on earth are people fixated on having people filling out LS applications? You might find that other Japanese or foreign shell holders have very few sites that require Ls applications where as most English speaking players do.

    What's next, I have to go wear a suit or make a lunch with the Ls leader to get into a fancy high civilized group? No. I just want to play a game, so what became of these applications making peer pressure is a mystery to me. I don't want to go into an Ls where people think applications = business or business = God knows what. All applications does is perpetuating gamers.

    Enough with the applications. Stick to LS registrations instead. And if I hear "it helps get to know the player better" so God help me... You can get to know the player face to face in game don't make excuses.

    And there's your rant for the day.

    Edit: Please keep this topic related to the topic itself, not about me. Thank you.
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    Last edited by Fouluryu; 10-01-2011 at 04:38 AM.

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    If you don't agree with linkshells requiring applications, you prolly wouldn't fit with that kind of people anyway.

    It's a win/win situation, you should not rant
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    Let me guess, some shell declined your app and now you are mad?

    Applications are a way for shells to pre-emptively weed out people they don't think will fit into their community.

    Rather than "invite everyone" mentality, some of us prefer to weed people out before they are an issue.
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    Last edited by DoctorMog; 10-01-2011 at 02:50 AM.

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    You assume all applications are Apps = Business.

    For example, we don't really care about your MMO "resume" Our app is just to make sure you understand our philosophy, then asks about glorious bacon, waffles and pancakes.
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    The only problem with applications is that they can sometimes demand too much information when it's something simple like joining a social shell. However with the lack of administration options I guess leaders would rather be sure of what type of person they are letting into their shell since they are unable to kick them afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fouluryu View Post
    I didn't think I'd had to post this but it seems that certain people make me want to slice live fish in the air. Humanity never ceases to amaze me how one attraction can lead to a popularity. Getting to the point, I want to discuss about Link shell applications & registrations.

    I want to talk about registration first. Registration is probably the most common and recommended way to keep a good roster of list of people that are registered in the link shell. You will also have things like events and what not to keep what is up to date. Simple and universal.

    However, there is also "applying" for a link shell which seems very offending for those who work and for those just want to play the game to escape from reality (gamer haven). Making an application is no different than applying for a job. But this isn't a job, instead, a game, so why on earth are people fixated on having people filling out LS applications? You might find that other Japanese or foreign shell holders have very few sites that require Ls applications where as most English speaking players do.

    What's next, I have to go wear a suit or make a lunch with the Ls leader to get into a fancy high civilized group? No. I just want to play a game, so what became of these applications making peer pressure is a mystery to me. I don't want to go into an Ls where people think applications = business or business = God knows what. All applications does is perpetuating gamers.

    Enough with the applications. Stick to LS registrations instead. And if I hear "it helps get to know the player better" so God help me... You can get to know the player face to face in game don't make excuses.

    And there's your rant for the day.
    Well you couldn't join our linkshell because we are more than a chat channel, we think of ourselves as more of a team. Like a sports team, or a debate team, or a team of people in a video game, or... you should get the point by now.

    We demand applications from applicants because while it is "not a job" I'm not gonna put my neck on the line in-game for you if you are so lazy you can't fill out an online application. My time is valuable, and so when I play I choose to spend it in the company of people who also value it.

    Even if I know you it is courtesy for those members who don't for you to introduce yourself via an application before you join. If you can't even do that you most likely won't ever be online when you say you will (unreliable), wouldn't go out of your way to help anyone (selfish), wouldn't participate in linkshell matters/activities (lack of participation), and in general would be a waste of a spot that could go to someone who is a little more useful to the shell.

    I wouldn't make plans to play softball/soccer/golf or anything else regularly on a team with someone so flaky that anything short of a minimal effort warranted such a rant from you.
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    What is this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorMog View Post
    Let me guess, some shell declined your app and now you are mad?

    Applications are a way for shells to pre-emptively weed out people they don't think will fit into their community.

    Rather than "invite everyone" mentality, SOME of us prefer to weed people out BEFORE they are an issue.
    No but I am mad at you for that comment. I'm not mad about applications in general but rather puzzled at the fact this has become a trend. Also, I was never declined. I applied once, so let's leave it at that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon View Post
    You assume all applications are Apps = Business.

    For example, we don't really care about your MMO "resume" Our app is just to make sure you understand our philosophy, then asks about glorious bacon, waffles and pancakes.
    Very well said /thumbs up

    If it was an mmo in game resume that would count in real life, then there would be an interest in filling out Ls applications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fouluryu View Post
    Enough with the applications. Stick to LS registrations instead. And if I hear "it helps get to know the player better" so God help me... You can get to know the player face to face in game don't make excuses.
    It isn't an excuse. That's what it's for.

    Right now, because of how difficult it is to remove a troublemaker from a linkshell, those who run linkshells must be a lot more discerning when it comes to who gets a pearl. The most effective way is to have the person fill out an application.

    Otherwise, you end up with situations where, for example, someone in the linkshell causes drama for the sake of it because they like crying, takes pictures of his screen with a cell phone camera to post on all the fansites to show everyone how he was "wronged", and then proceeds to never leave that linkshell alone long after he's removed, going so far as to try to get his friends to join the linkshell to continue causing drama.

    We like to avoid that kind of thing. So we have people fill out applications, so we know before even pearling them that they're going to be trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fouluryu View Post
    And if I hear "it helps get to know the player better" so God help me... You can get to know the player face to face in game don't make excuses.
    And this is what you're going to hear from me. I don't get to meet most my new registrants face to face, they get invited from other members. I require an application because half of my ls website is hidden to members only, but i don't make applying on the website a requirement either.

    It may also depend on what company is hosting the website. Maybe to make it private, you need an application? Just a thought.

    Half my members applied online first, so this is a better way to make sure they get in the linkshell ASAP.

    If you're that picky, just ask that linkshell if registering online is required before joining.

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