This patch dropped the ball hard

[Ayanno]

My problem is they added the ability to get the Doman upgrade items with Law tomes....yet it costs double the tomes for the upgrade item then it does for the armor/weapon?! The fuck? Law gear is outdated three times over, why is the price so high? Alex Normal(190), Esoterics(200) and Alex Savage(210).....upgraded Law gear is 180. ..................WTF?

[Xyth]

My problem is they added the ability to get the Doman upgrade items with Law tomes....yet it costs double the tomes for the upgrade item then it does for the armor/weapon?! The fuck? Law gear is outdated three times over, why is the price so high? Alex Normal(190), Esoterics(200) and Alex Savage(210).....upgraded Law gear is 180. ..................WTF?

Because there's no weekly cap on Law.

[Ayanno]

Because there's no weekly cap on Law.

Doesn't matter if there's a cap or not. The cost of an upgrade item for gear that is outdated x3 shouldn't be double the cost of the actual armor. Why even bother making it available with Law tomes? Anyone who is going to upgrade the pieces for whatever reason will just stick with Hunts.

It's pointless to do it this way.

[Lewtskie]

My problem is they added the ability to get the Doman upgrade items with Law tomes....yet it costs double the tomes for the upgrade item then it does for the armor/weapon?! The fuck? Law gear is outdated ithree times over, why is the price so high? Alex Normal(190), Esoterics(200) and Alex Savage(210).....upgraded Law gear is 180. ..................WTF?

1. They still want to make Hunt credits the Optimal Choice, just now not the only choice.

2. It takes the Doman gear regardless to get the item levels to even enter Alex, so getting it all upgraded means better performance.

They don't design any gear farm to be that quick and easy, not by most normal person's standards. Everything is designed with a limit and a lockout because this game is not designed to be played 24/7 with the "fast as you can, sleep when you're dead" mentality. That is a death sentence for most MMOs.

[Ayanno]

1. They still want to make Hunt credits the Optimal Choice, just now not the only choice.

2. It takes the Doman gear regardless to get the item levels to even enter Alex, so getting it all upgraded means better performance.

They don't design any gear farm to be that quick and easy, not by most normal person's standards. Everything is designed with a limit and a lockout because this game is not designed to be played 24/7 with the "fast as you can, sleep when you're dead" mentality. That is a death sentence for most MMOs.

I don't have a problem with the grind; this is an MMO and I did play XI for a decade. I don't mind grinds. My problem is the cost. It makes no sense to require double the tomes to upgrade that chest piece that has now been outdated THREE TIMES. That's my point, and my issue with it, not MMO grind.

Also, to the poster that said it wasn't logical but that's the way it is....so? Just because something was done, doesn't mean it's right, nor does it mean we, as paying customers shouldn't speak up. You go to a restaurant and order something, they get it wrong. You just accept it or do you say something? No, you say something. Same thing.

[BreathlessTao]

My problem is the added the ability to get the Doman upgrade items with Law tomes....yet it costs double the tomes for the upgrade item then it does for the armor/weapon?1 The fuck? Law gear is outdated three times over, why is the price so high? Alex Normal(190), Esoterics(200) and Alex Savage(210).....upgraded Law gear is 180. ..................WTF?

^ One valid point right there.

Also some other points to note...
Did expert roulette about one hour after the daily reset. Before the tank left, he threw out the comment: "450 esoterics done". Obviously not something everyone can achieve, but probably something quite a few can - and that's already one 'nothing to do' kind of scenario.
Upgrading Esoterics gear with items from Alex Savage - er, yeah, sure "do raid if you want raid level gear"... except, y'know, people who opt to gear up with tomes gear probably opt to do that because they have no interest in doing the hardest content in the game for whatever reason. In which case, it can be argued that they don't even need the higher item level, but let's not forget how strongly vertical the progression is in this game, ie. gearing up, up, up and even further up is pretty much 'the only' thing to do once hitting level cap. Taking away the possibility to do that from, let's face it, the larger part of the playerbase - we're at 'nothing to do' again. And in any case, Esoterics gear is (once again, of course) not dyeable without the upgrade, meaning that people not doing Alex Savage are also locked out of this option (ie. glamour) as well - again, borderline 'nothing to do' syndrome once more.

And somehow, something is telling me that by the time anyone's 'properly' geared up with any of this, all of it will be obsolete once again, thanks to some new gear they might introduce. Like, ok, I understand vertical progression, but not having any time whatsoever to at least take a breath and actually enjoy our gear... If there's one giant, plain sign of the fact that 'endgame' became nothing but a gear treadmill, it's this. And I remember quite a few have already been fatigued with the gear treadmill back in ARR, several patches ago.

Of course, I know, multiple jobs, etc, but with how much we're restricted to focus on one job only (weekly lockouts left, right, and center), despite the core system of the game, I think it makes sense to ignore that for the sake of this discussion here.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Just out of curiosity (as I'm not at home and can't log in), but what is the cost of the Esoterics gear and weapons? I'm just guessing it is in the same range as Poetics was, i.e. 825-850 for a body piece, 400 something for gloves/boots?

[Nekodar]

Just out of curiosity (as I'm not at home and can't log in), but what is the cost of the Esoterics gear and weapons? I'm just guessing it is in the same range as Poetics was, i.e. 825-850 for a body piece, 400 something for gloves/boots?

990 for weapon (can't recall for pld, but 990 total for sword and shield)
825 body/legs
495 head/hand/feet
375 belt/accessories

Proportions between each type is the same as for law gear, but with a higher base.

[NorthernLadMSP]

990 for weapon (can't recall for pld, but 990 total for sword and shield)
825 body/legs
495 head/hand/feet
375 belt/accessories

Proportions between each type is the same as for law gear, but with a higher base.

Awesome thanks! I'm guessing the Eso weapons don't need any sort of dumb drop from Alex to purchase them?

[Nekodar]

Awesome thanks! I'm guessing the Eso weapons don't need any sort of dumb drop from Alex to purchase them?

Looked like tomes only. Just like for law weapon.