Thread: Patch 3.05 up... NO DRK rework!

DarkKnights: we want to mitigate like paladins, but have our amazing aoe and great damage (while tanking), and while we are at it, we need to tp regen and off tanking of a warrior---GIVE US EVERYTHING!

Greedy kids.

Originally Posted by Faytte

DarkKnights: we want to mitigate like paladins, but have our amazing aoe and great damage (while tanking), and while we are at it, we need to tp regen and off tanking of a warrior---GIVE US EVERYTHING!

Greedy kids.

DRK don't mitigate like PLD unless you're talking about magic. They aren't as good vs. magic as PLD is against physical.

Amazing aoe is good and all, but it's sort of limited in its usefulness. And I'm not sure how it stacks up vs. a WAR doing unchained + berserk + overpower + bloodbath (also very powerful).

PLD & DRK have real TP issues. They could both use some love.

Originally Posted by Giantbane

DRK don't mitigate like PLD unless you're talking about magic. They aren't as good vs. magic as PLD is against physical.

Amazing aoe is good and all, but it's sort of limited in its usefulness. And I'm not sure how it stacks up vs. a WAR doing unchained + berserk + overpower + bloodbath (also very powerful).

PLD & DRK have real TP issues. They could both use some love.

No they arnt. Your right.


But they do much better damage a paladin ALL the time.
They have better aoe than a paladin...ALL the time.
And between a PLD and a DRK, DRK has a better tp management via unmake for 150 potency and recovering 60 tp. Getting low in TP? Throw one into your rotation and gen it back (most DRK absolutely ignore this--its bonkers. It does as much damage as your combo starter and it generates 60 tp for you instead of 70 tp. Sure it doenst lead into anything, but your doing damage vs sitting them or casting utility spells like a paladin OT).

AOE is not limited: A2 and every dungeon disagree with you. Your aoe tanking and aoe regen is great. Honestly I feel the issue is dps went Dark Knight cause of its looks and wanting to tank and are angry that warriors are the 'damage dealing' tank. Darks are basically between War dps and Paladin dps at the moment, and have access to tools that the others dont. Your dps while tanking is top notch, you have some great CDS given their TINY cds (compare dark dance vs bulwark. 60% block for 15 seconds every 3 minutes, to 30% parry (which with a law shield, blocks for the same as parry) + 20% dodge (only applicable in dungeons, you can ignore) for -20- seconds every -one- minute. 33% longer duration and 1/3 the cooldown---its up significantly more. Dark Mind every minute for an extra vengeance to throw onto your other cooldowns? Yeah thats great.

You do good damage always. Not war levels, but good.
You have tp issues, so do paladins, but you can self manage it a bit. Also Ninja, Astro, Bard and Machinist -do- exist.
You are clearly ahead on magic fights (where paladins suffer, basically limited to sentinel and rampart)
You are not the best in physical fights, but at the same time, not that far behind (you loose delirum but likely have reprisal ready cause its a physical fight. Meaning in reality your just down dark mind).

Originally Posted by Faytte

DarkKnights: we want to mitigate like paladins, but have our amazing aoe and great damage (while tanking), and while we are at it, we need to tp regen and off tanking of a warrior---GIVE US EVERYTHING!

Greedy kids.

More like the people who don't know how to work it are asking for this stuff. The lack of TP management hurts, but PLD has the same problem and can deal with it just fine. The only reason WAR has the TP healing is simply because they ONLY use TP, no MP, which is something people need to remember and come to terms with (meaning WAR needed it more than anybody).

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

More like the people who don't know how to work it are asking for this stuff. The lack of TP management hurts, but PLD has the same problem and can deal with it just fine. The only reason WAR has the TP healing is simply because they ONLY use TP, no MP, which is something people need to remember and come to terms with (meaning WAR needed it more than anybody).

That's just silly... MP is clearly not the problem when off tanking, TP is the issue.

Honestly, all tanks needs the kind of TP management that the WAR has while in tank stance.

Setting aside the TP regen skill(because it's not available in Defiance), WARs get a LOT of longevity just from using Inner Beast, because it's a GCD that didn't cost TP.

PLDs and DRKs could use that kind of thing as well.
Shield Swipe should be free, and DRK should get.. something. I'm thinking either a proc that increases Unmend's potency, or redesign Reprisal to have Shield Swipe's mechanics but that might be too samey?

Every job is going to get tapped by SE in some form or another in a jobs focused patch they mentioned in the previous LL.

The changes in this patch - to AST, DRG, and the previous adjustments to WM&GB - were things they promised would happen before Savage - if just to ensure those jobs weren't going to be left out.

I don't think anyone was actually seriously considering leaving DRG out at any point since HW hit.

Originally Posted by Kiteless

I don't think anyone was actually seriously considering leaving DRG out at any point since HW hit.

True. consider the job on it's own tho instead of comparing it to lowest common denominator. A DRG consistently missing their Wheeling Thrusts & Tooth and Fang is practically worse than one using a 2.x rotation - using BofD & Geirskogul just once every 60 instead of trying for 100% BotD uptime & 3 Geirskoguls a minute.
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I think if the 51-60 additions to a job aren't working as intended - they're going to adjust the job, regardless of where it falls in a 'dps/tanking/healing hierarchy.'

That's why I think it's not a question of DRK vs PLD vs WAR when it comes to tank adjustments. SE has a set of goals and intentions for every job - individually - If a mechanic or design of any aspect isn't functioning as they intended - they're going to tinker it, for better or worse.