Tanks Advantage and Deficiencies

**Mr_Grinch** · 07-28-2015 05:54 AM

I want to try tanking, but I don’t have the play time hours to try all 3 to 60. I’m not necessarily looking for the “best” tank, because I assume all 3 can perform at any stage of the game. I am, however, interested in the advantages and deficiencies of each job. I want to know which tank …

1. Generates and maintains the highest threat for single target and AOE?
2. Has the highest physical mitigation and magical mitigation?
3. Has the most single target and AOE DPS (while tanking)?
4. Brings the most useful buffs/utility?

On a side note, what is the most preferred tank duo combo for end game raids?

**GeekMatt** · 07-28-2015 06:30 AM

You're asking at a tough time because DRK is new, and SE is currently touching up a little bit if balancing.

PLD has consistently been the safe bet because the mitigation is top notch, but it's lower DPS/aggro. WAR had it's ups and downs but is currently feeling a lot of love in the community (with the exception of a lot of hate for WARs who don't know the time and place for it's DPS stance from healers) because WARs have excellent DPS over the long-term, have excellent aggro and recently improved survival (which has always been heavily reliant on player ability).

DRK is new and you'll find varied opinions of it. It seems to be designed for additional MDF? But for strict mitigation I don't think it has one-up on PLD there. I've dabbled in it and it's a fun job. Healing DRK through DF has proven significantly more difficult than the other two tanks but could be due to player ability. I don't consider there to be anything special about DRK atm, other than it's fun and attractive. I expect future balancing for the job.

If you want to level something while you decide, level Gladiator because it has vital skills that all tanks need.

**Donjo** · 07-28-2015 07:37 AM

As far as I'm aware, here's how things stack:

Most Threat: Dark Knight, in both avenues.
Highest Physical Mitigation: Paladin
Highest Magical Mitigation: Dark Knight
Highest Burst Mitigation: Warrior
Single Target DPS: Warrior > Dark Knight > Paladin
AOE DPS: Definitely not Paladin, but I'm not sure otherwise.
Utility: Paladin has the best defensive utility, Warrior is a great middle ground between offensive and defensive, and Dark Knight is lagging behind both in this category.

Duo: I doubt that any raid group is going to leave home without a Warrior, with the preferred co-tank depending on the fight itself. Paladin's always a safe bet, but a Dark Knight is right at home when fights are on farm or if magic damage is prevalent.

**Erim-Nelhah** · 07-28-2015 01:12 PM

Burst AoE DPS goes to DRK very easily - as a DRK I can spam a 100-potency point-blank AoE for 15-20 seconds with just 3 mobs on me...With 4-5, I can position the mobs and swap to a 120-potency targeted aoe. With enough incoming attacks, some cooldowns, and a bit of healer coordination, A good DRK can even self-heal through the incoming damage, allowing the healer to go cleric stance and help burn down the pack.

--Erim Nelhah
(Master, Astral Descendants <AD>, Malboro)
(60 DRK Main)

**Ayuris** · 07-28-2015 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Erim-Nelhah

Burst AoE DPS goes to DRK very easily - as a DRK I can spam a 100-potency point-blank AoE for 15-20 seconds with just 3 mobs on me...With 4-5, I can position the mobs and swap to a 120-potency targeted aoe. With enough incoming attacks, some cooldowns, and a bit of healer coordination, A good DRK can even self-heal through the incoming damage, allowing the healer to go cleric stance and help burn down the pack.

I disagree, decimation is 280 potency that can be used twice in succession with berserk(+50% attack power), overpowered is 120 potency aswell.

**Freyyy** · 07-28-2015 08:12 PM

Yeah best AoE DPS is with no contest WAR. DRK is no match vs. Decimate/Steel Cyclone and Overpower spam.

**Madepossible** · 07-28-2015 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Freyyy

Yeah best AoE DPS is with no contest WAR. DRK is no match vs. Decimate/Steel Cyclone and Overpower spam.

You must fail at your job then.

**Whiston** · 07-28-2015 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Madepossible

You must fail at your job then.

Why is that qualifying them as a failure?
It's not surprising warrior does more aoe dps. Their skills have high potency and aren't so extremely limited in resource.

Warrior aoe dps is quite significant, whereas dark Knight has burst potential, but blood price is only up so often.

**Reynhart** · 07-28-2015 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Freyyy

Yeah best AoE DPS is with no contest WAR. DRK is no match vs. Decimate/Steel Cyclone and Overpower spam.

Well, technically, spamming Overpower do more damage on several mobs than Steel Cyclone or Decimate, since you can't "spam" it.
While building Wrath stacks, you will only hit one mob.

So it's basically Overpower vs Unleash+Salted Earth
And on that, DRK wins

**Ayuris** · 07-29-2015 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Reynhart

Well, technically, spamming Overpower do more damage on several mobs than Steel Cyclone or Decimate, since you can't "spam" it.
While building Wrath stacks, you will only hit one mob.

So it's basically Overpower vs Unleash+Salted Earth
And on that, DRK wins

Not necessarily, if you know when a wave of adds will spawn like in A2 you can have 5 stacks of wrath ready with an infuriate followup.
Warrior also have a dps stance were they are able to get 25% additional damage(20% from Maim and 5% from Deliverance) unlike Dark Knight that only gets 15% damage increase from Darkside.
And again I cannot stress enough how all this scales with Berserk when used correctly.

So it's not so cut and dried.

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