Thread: Patch 3.05 up... NO DRK rework!

Giving Drk Lancer cross class would be overpowered when OT with Blood for blood. Drk has high OT dps due to consistent high potency attacks. Warrior has burst moments of high attacks, and otherwise very low potency (especially if rotating Eye and Path). Giving Drk burst + high consistent would be huge.

@ Hundred - I didn't recommend changing Life Surge at all. And I only suggested damage on Sole Survivor because you seemed worried about losing a 200 potency attack with a 90s CD that can only be used on a mob at 20% or less.

"I'm not really sweating it because its a highly overexaggerated problem." Did you tank Twintania back before Echo and you needed every bit of damage you could to down her? And how frustrating it was to bottom out and you couldn't rely on a Bard because they should save their MP for Foe's Req or MP for the healers? Luckily we have Ninja now for Goad, but not every group has a NIN, and Goad will only keep you neutral till it wears off and then you're back to bottoming out.

Honestly TP issues have plagued tanking since this game released. Initially WAR was the best on TP because Inner Beast was a free GCD, and now they have Equilibrium. At this point PLD/DRK are the only classes in the game that don't have a way to maintain one of their main resources, and it really doesn't make sense. Shield Swipe, or spamming Unmend aren't an answer because even using Shield Swipe the PLD will eventually run dry, and Unmend is just horribly inefficient.

Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

From the most recent Live Letter.

Q9. Compared to Hallowed Ground and Holmgang, there's more burden for healers when Living Dead is used. Do you have plans to adjust this effect?

A9. This is up for consideration, instead of adjusting this action alone, we’re looking into this as if we need to adjust the special characteristics for the dark knight job. We’ll check the overall performance from 3.05 and continue looking into this.

That...just supports my point though? They are saying they will be looking at how it does now with 3.05 released before buffs.
They didnt say they are releasing buffs at 3.05

If there are any fixes needed to the job, I suppose blood weapon could have a 5% increase in damage added along with the 10% increase in attack speed. Also, Abyssal Drain could have it's potency increased from 120 to 150.
Plunge could have a effect added to it where you are healed for 100% of damage done. Carve and Spit could have an effect added to it where if you don't use dark arts you get a 600 potency heal along with the mp recovery and the 100 potency attack.
Otherwise the job is sweet as you can heal up nicely with soul eater.

Originally Posted by Sir-Meliodas

If there are any fixes needed to the job, I suppose blood weapon could have a 5% increase in damage added along with the 10% increase in attack speed. Also, Abyssal Drain could have it's potency increased from 120 to 150.
Plunge could have a effect added to it where you are healed for 100% of damage done. Carve and Spit could have an effect added to it where if you don't use dark arts you get a 600 potency heal along with the mp recovery and the 100 potency attack.
Otherwise the job is sweet as you can heal up nicely with soul eater.

Lets make it a god class!

Glad the 50 gladiator has such insight on tank balance;P

Originally Posted by Faytte

Lets make it a god class!

With all those unjustified complains you can read in the forums, SE will eventually have to buff it to a level where it is superior to the other tanks. Before that the "vocal majority" won't be sadisfied. And then we'll have to face the same "complains" from PLD and WAR.

Looking forward to it as I enjoy DRK a lot.

What, the guy wanted the job to be improved so I offered suggestions, that is all. Dark Knight is not meant to do as much damage as a Warrior or defend as well as a Paladin as it is a hybrid of Offensive tanking and Defensive tanking.

Originally Posted by Krr

This is wrong - the the stated tanking styles of the three tanks in the Letter From The Producer is warriors as having more MT damage, Paladins as having superior physical defense, and Dark Knights as having superior magical defense. It's also implied that their OT DPS should be comparable to Warrior's if someone is providing a slash debuff. Of course, right now, that's all DRK does when offtanking, if a Monk is present.

The big takeaway here is that MTing has a decent, if deeply fragile and tenuous balance between all three tanks, and OTing is so hilariously dominated by Warrior (despite obvious attempts to diversify it with DRK joining the game and paladin's new toys that can be used while OTing) due to their irreplacable extra utility and ridiculously good DPS.

Or if you just don't need Delirium.

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Pld+Drk is just not a good setup.

It's either..

Pld+War
Drk+War
War+War (ALL the damage)

War = everything and more(inb4 pridewarriors come to defend their position), even trumping Paladins in the MT department with skilled IB usage and stance dancing, and are equivalent, if not better than Drk as MT in magic fights, with a Pld as the off tank. Pld SoO DPS is good, people need to stop undermining it. And then there's the support as OT they offer in Divine Veil, the only STR down in the game (If it's applicable for example with physical auto attacks), Cover (Same deal as STR down), and Clemency, which by the way when used on a Warrior MT, in defiance, has a 180% overall effectiveness (200% with Cov.), because Clemency is modified by Defiance. Meaning that is one HELL of a heal on the warrior (11k+ easily), and 50% of that returned to the Paladin. Throw Stoneskin in there too because Stoneskin is amazing when it's timed correctly.

Pld and War are simply in sync with one another so damn well, it'd be amazing if they were still the only 2 tanks. But Drk is in the mix now, and doesn't exactly make up in what you lose by replacing either of the two older tanks. They're the odd tank out, they don't synergize at all with anyone or anything other than a slashing resist debuff that they need in order to do anything close to the DPS a Warrior can do. They give you nothing in return for choosing one over a War or a Pld, and that is the main problem.