Thread: Patch 3.05

Originally Posted by sirDarts

SE still considers HM roulette mainly for experience, I guess.
They don't want people spending time in lvl 50 dungeons.

Problem is they gave less incentive for end game players to go into it. Law's value is heavily decreasing for most people and having Esoterics in the roulette would keep breathing life into the older content. Doesn't make sense to me they would exclude Esoterics from it.

Originally Posted by Velhart

Problem is they gave less incentive for end game players to go into it. Law's value is heavily decreasing for most people and having Esoterics in the roulette would keep breathing life into the older content. Doesn't make sense to me they would exclude Esoterics from it.

There was little to no incentive to go in there in the first place.
New players are discouraged by the amount of dungeons they need to clear to unlock it.
And the dungeons give no EXP outside of the roulette.

SE does NOT want people playing old optional content. They want them playing new stuff.

Originally Posted by sirDarts

SE does NOT want people playing old optional content. They want them playing new stuff.

That is doubtful. I would imagine SE would want to give a player any reason to keep playing their game, rather outdated content or not.

Originally Posted by Velhart

That is doubtful. I would imagine SE would want to give a player any reason to keep playing their game, rather outdated content or not.

If they wanted people playing old lvl 50 OPTIONAL dungeons, they would have given it EXP.
Since they didn't put exp in those dungeons it's clear that they want people in the new content.

People will keep playing the game no matter if the roulette gives Eso, or not, they will just avoid this particular part of content = happy SE.

Originally Posted by sirDarts

If they wanted people playing old lvl 50 OPTIONAL dungeons, they would have given it EXP.
Since they didn't put exp in those dungeons it's clear that they want people in the new content.

There is no EXP because they want you to progress in levels through new main scenario/areas/dungeons and not grind off old dungeons like people do with FATE's in N.Thanalan. It doesn't mean they do not want you to go back and explore the old dungeons.

Originally Posted by Velhart

There is no EXP because they want you to progress in levels through new main scenario/areas/dungeons and not grind off old dungeons like people do with FATE's in N.Thanalan. It doesn't mean they do not want you to go back and explore the old dungeons.

Then why do you get literally 2-3x the amount of experience from completing a low level roulette as opposed to high level? Because they aren't optional? There are plenty dungeons in the High Level Roulette that aren't optional. Every new dungeon (not the HM re-hashes) introduced in the MSQ was necessary in progressing the MSQ. I can't remember every single patch, but I know as of the most recent you NEEDED to do Snowcloak and KotL in order to progress MSQ, so those aren't optional.

Let's assume you don't get one of the new leveling dungeons in your Low level roulette. You get, Brayflox NM, for instance. Not only do you get mob xp for every kill, but the bonus for completing the dungeon is higher than High roulette as well.

Y'all are crazy if you think SE wants to actively keep people out of some of their older content. The decision for no XP in the High roulettes was made for 1 reason, and 1 reason alone. We would all go in there with our level synced characters and annihilate AoE all mobs for xp runs instead of making it take longer. Speed XP parties that demand having at least 1 SMN, classes start getting left out again.

This is also why they revamped only the way XP is handled in Dzemael Darkhold and Aurum Vale (or if they did this to the other low dungeons it isn't as prevalent because I didn't notice at all). SE hated that people were doing first room farms, so now they attached a large chunk of that XP to the boss death to encourage full runs. Saying SE wants to keep people out of older content is ridiculous; SE goes out of their way to add glamour/minion/trinkets to all of these different pieces of content that serve no purpose other than being a carrot to lure in rabbits.