Astrologian "BUFFS"

[Cynfael]

.... AST is ok but have issues but people make out there really bad when they are not

me and my WHM both healed on each other without any cooldowns and my heals was slightly lower in diurnal sect... but it was near the same strength as my WHM partner..... then soon as he used Divine Seal i feel behind in healing alot .... this is the only problem with AST is that we LACK healing cooldowns other then that we are fine... like last night i manage to crit heal my warrior tank for 11k with an emergency my jaw dropped because this was a crit so far from my own knowledge of as is that our healing potency are fine... our cards needs slight rework but not major.....Collective Unconscious need a change.... other then these AST is FINE........ besides there is far to much det / spell speed on the healing gear as well as PIE (hate u) ... ast to me feel like it needs alot of crit for it to work in order for it to be inline with other healer..... even the proc for benefic II needs a rework the instant cast is ok but it needs more either make it always crit whilst the proc is active or something new with it

im tired of players bashing the new healer and screaming for buffs ... yeah ast have minor problems but not what players make out to be to me if feels like SMN when there was way too much spell speed on gear which then dramatically killed there dps and thus was rise of the BLM and then SMN become bad dps due to crappy stats..... AST needs crit and there is lack of it on gear spell speed only helps with DoTs and cast speed.....with crits i heal hard 5K+ with benefit I and 6-7k with benefit II,,,,, 11k + with Essential Dignity (op)

so let narrow it down
- Need Healing Cooldown to increase healing
- Need Slight rework to cards
- Heavy gear depended Weapon >Mind >Crit >Det >>>>>> Pie/Spellspeed
- Few changes to skills

Other then this we are fine..... when ur screaming and saying AST heals less we dont.... the only time we heal less is when the other healers use there own healing cooldowns to increase there healing.... Out side of these cooldowns we heal slightly less then a whm like barely less

Also players r trying to do SAVAGE mode whilst being under geared as soon as Elite players clear it ,,,, they think they can do the same.... but we all dont have godly skills like these players... and we are very under geared to clear floors but people manage due to straining and pushing all the blood and skills out of there class in order to do this ... if u fall behind a DPS check dont blame the healers due to your own lack of damage... yes we can add to it when we can but this is the DPS job......if ur relying on ur healers/tank dps to clear content then you are under geared for the run and demanding too much from your players.... remember we all not ELITE

I get part of what you're saying, and while AST is able to perform sufficiently in skilled hands, that doesn't change the fact that the Job is inherently weaker than its WHM and SCH counterparts and could use some more tweaking.

Also, I don't see crit being the big deal for AST. The only reason crit is so beneficial for SCH is because of how a timely critical Adlo can create huge breathers for added DPS or outright break certain mechanics. Healers generally do better with higher DET otherwise since crit often doesn't change HOW you heal; at best it allows you to adjust your spell selection on the fly to account for increased healing numbers when a string of incoming attacks requires successive healing, but when we're talking about most healing activities, you are already casting the heal you planned on being sufficient to correct the damage; a crit in this situation is usually unintentional overhealing.

Finally, I don't get all this talk about "elite" players as if we were discussing a whole different animal. There's no magic or mystery; these fights are about repetition and memorization. If you have adequate skills and a team of like-minded players with sufficient time to learn content ASAP, you, too, can be "elite." AST being less desirable for progression than other healers is more than a niche complaint; it's a valid criticism.

[Vlady]

Once you understand that astro is complex beyond any other healer you will start to appreciate the power they offer.It's the only healer that requires innate knowlege of almost all other jobs ti maximize it's strength.

[Cynfael]

Once you understand that astro is complex beyond any other healer you will start to appreciate the power they offer.It's the only healer that requires innate knowlege of almost all other jobs ti maximize it's strength.

Please stop dramatizing AST's skill ceiling; it isn't that high. It doesn't take much knowledge of the game to understand how cooldowns work and which classes are likely to use what, and RNG dictates which cards will be in your "hand" throughout the course of the fight, limiting your actual viable options.

And then, even when you do correctly predict what's going on and just so happen to have the ideal card, your numerical contribution is still subpar overall.

[Yhisa]

Also, I don't see crit being the big deal for AST.
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well this is where u are wrong and errm AST are not scholars and i didnt even mention a sect..... but i have notice myself that crit shines alot with ast ... before i went det/spell speed thinking spell speed effected hots when it did not and i had alot of Det... what people dont understand is that det only reduce the range of ur heals/ damage not increase it .... it only increase ur low end damage only and that is all.... (done test multiple times as SMN with a friend)..........

when i was det / spell speed.... i felt like i was healing for wet noodles.... when i changed to crit / det..... my god i healed alot more even my FC noticed this ALOT,,,, and now im healing with a scholar in raids and we have no issues ever since i changed from det/spellspeed... to crit/det

the thing is everyone is comparing this class to WHM and SCH..... which u should not... yes we lack healing cooldowns but that is it..... the sooner u relise this the better.... AND FYI ... in pvp nocturnal sect is OP i can run around and just use aspected benefic and not die... i always get locked down or focused on alot or they adrenaline me D:.... and my AST is ilvl 189 <3 my robe

[Spoekes]

Please stop dramatizing AST's skill ceiling; it isn't that high. It doesn't take much knowledge of the game to understand how cooldowns work and which classes are likely to use what, and RNG dictates which cards will be in your "hand" throughout the course of the fight, limiting your actual viable options.

And then, even when you do correctly predict what's going on and just so happen to have the ideal card, your numerical contribution is still subpar overall.

On subpar numerical contribution:

If you assume you have
a) balance or arrow on every draw / expanded/exteneded/enhanced balance or arrow on every second draw
b) every DPS does the same amount of damage (20%)
c) for simplicity ignore CO and TD´

BaseRaidDPS = 5000 DPS
ExpBalanceRaidDPS = 5000 DPS +  (5000 DPS* 1,05) / 4      = 5050 DPS
ExtBalanceRaidDPS = 5000 DPS +  (1000 DPS* 1,1) / 2      = 5050 DPS
EnhBalanceRaidDPS = 5000 DPS +  (1000 DPS* 1,2) / 4      = 5050 DPS

The actual contribution to raid DPS from these cards will be about 1% for this generous, unrealistic scenario.

Considering a 16.66% draw chance for each card and using ewers/spears on yourself, the percentage will plummet again.

Unbuffed Spire will add 5 ticks of 30TP to the target, that's 150 TP and may or may not be one additional AoE move from a TP user, depending on class and situation.

Ewer seems to be commonly accepted as an AST self buff. (1325 MP over 15 secs for those who care)

Spear is hard to use on other targets than self, even in a voice grp, just because you don't know when you will get it, and even with voice you have to take time to ask, maybe make someone delay their buff usage to take full advantage of it.

For Bole, RNG makes it so you can't rely on it.
Other than that, saved with spread, it's a card that actually *can* have a noticible effect on some mechanics, but it also has the lowest fun factor imo.

well this is where u are wrong and errm AST are not scholars and i didnt even mention a sect..... but i have notice myself that crit shines alot with ast ... before i went det/spell speed thinking spell speed effected hots when it did not and i had alot of Det... what people dont understand is that det only reduce the range of ur heals/ damage not increase it .... it only increase ur low end damage only and that is all.... (done test multiple times as SMN with a friend)..........

when i was det / spell speed.... i felt like i was healing for wet noodles.... when i changed to crit / det..... my god i healed alot more even my FC noticed this ALOT,,,, and now im healing with a scholar in raids and we have no issues ever since i changed from det/spellspeed... to crit/det

the thing is everyone is comparing this class to WHM and SCH..... which u should not... yes we lack healing cooldowns but that is it..... the sooner u relise this the better.... AND FYI ... in pvp nocturnal sect is OP i can run around and just use aspected benefic and not die... i always get locked down or focused on alot or they adrenaline me D:.... and my AST is ilvl 189 <3 my robe

With the current itemization for healers, the biggest reasonable jump in crit you can collect may net you additional 2%-4% critchance. (with reasonable I mean not sacrificing huge amounts of mind, actual endgame gear)
You can check what others have tested with the changed basestats and formula here and in the original thread here.

[Yhisa]

With the current itemization for healers, the biggest reasonable jump in crit you can collect may net you additional 2%-4% critchance. (with reasonable I mean not sacrificing huge amounts of mind, actual endgame gear)
You can check the here what others have tested with the changed basestats and formula here here and in the original thread here.

errmmm u do know this is a CRIT spread sheet for dps right......and not healers right? and u do know that 480 crit is 15.02% right and i nearly got 600 and still missing pieces

My stats
924 Mind
596 Crit = 23.10 %
434 Det

My character
http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/8010537/

i can get alot more crit and det with more gear but the most of the gear got too much Pie and few have spell speed havent bothered with weapon due to waiting for New relics to come out and i have already done ravana

and with this im getting 4-5k crits on benefic I 6k+ on benefit II and 11k+ on essential dignity 2k+ on aspected benefic (first hit) and this is all in diurnal sect so it be slightly higher in nocturnal not to mention if i stack my Regen my regen is healing 1k+

normally i just stack my regens and just go cleric and go GUN HOE mode... when my tank is low turn off and use essential then renew my hots and go back into cleric if i draw bole i always throw it on my tank and use time dilation to extend my hots + bole... with this i can idle around and twingle my fingers if i wanted to.... sometime i go troll mode and just chase my summoner around with emotes... the only time where i would need to heal loads is when everyone is is below 50% but it is easy to recover from i do 1- 2 helios and leave the rest for my partner to heal up.... majority of the time im either renewing my regen and just throwing / preparing my cards whilst dpsing.. whilst my WHM do the serious healing... or my SCH using his shields to allow my regens to work whilst using selene/eos to top people off along with us using benefic/physic to bring players back to a steady healthy %..... the trick is to not try and get players to full hp...if people are dying or taking huge damage.... they are doing something wrong and expect u to make up for there mistake

HOWEVER.... from my experience we are too much like a WHM but without Cooldowns that increase our healing.... and this is a problem.... i do not want to be a WHM or a SCH... if i wanted to be a WHM or SCH i would lvl those to 60 instead

[Spoekes]

Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't have 23% crit at level 60.

I can just assume you were looking at the table that was specificially labeled as "2.0 Stats @Lv.50"

[GideonHighmourn]

errmmm u do know this is a CRIT spread sheet for dps right......and not healers right? and u do know that 480 crit is 15.02% right and i nearly got 600 and still missing pieces

Just curious as to where you're getting the information from that 480 crit = 15% crit? In 2.0 maybe (I don't know for sure), but scaling has changed drastically at 60. 480 Crit at 50 =/= 480 Crit at 60.

What information are you using to determine that 480 Crit at 60 is equivalent to 15% crit, and how a 120~ point difference somehow adds 8% crit chance (for a total of 23%)?

I'm genuinely interested, because it'd be nice to know how stats scale at 60.

[Spoekes]

Just curious as to where you're getting the information from that 480 crit = 15% crit? In 2.0 maybe (I don't know for sure), but scaling has changed drastically at 60. 480 Crit at 50 =/= 480 Crit at 60.

What information are you using to determine that 480 Crit at 60 is equivalent to 15% crit, and how a 120~ point difference somehow adds 8% crit chance (for a total of 23%)?

I'm genuinely interested, because it'd be nice to know how stats scale at 60.

Their information is based on level 50 basecrit before HW. It's just wrong.

People have done the testing, methology and result can be found here and here

[Galdous]

Please stop dramatizing AST's skill ceiling; it isn't that high. It doesn't take much knowledge of the game to understand how cooldowns work and which classes are likely to use what, and RNG dictates which cards will be in your "hand" throughout the course of the fight, limiting your actual viable options.

And then, even when you do correctly predict what's going on and just so happen to have the ideal card, your numerical contribution is still subpar overall.

Not really. Ive seen dps focus dps oriented cards on me during entire runs and I have achieved 100-120 dps between tp increase card/balance/arrow from the beginning of the fight til end. Our astrologian in Savage easily keeps us alive while putting out 350 dps on opressor til he has to drop to help the white mage heal. To discredit someone because they are talking numbers in a mostly sporatic setting is not really credible.

Along with an astro just keeping dots up in and out of cleric stance is easily what 100+ dps? Not the 400 a scholar can pull off but also does not make an astrologian as awful as people are purposely trying to position it to be. We use an astrologian in our savage and we are about at the end of A1 and the astro performs his function well so. *shrug*. Both sides need to relax astro is far from weak but not what a scholar and white mage traditional combo can pull.