Astrologian "BUFFS"

[Troile]

I'm pretty confident that AST will be brought to where it needs to be. The unfortunate thing is that we have to wait. I think the issue with AST, and really with all the new jobs in Heavensward, is that they were designed with level 60 in mind...rather than with level 50 in mind with awesome buffs from 50-60. The difference in mindset can make a huge difference.

The other classes were designed to be complete at level 50, then when the cap was raised were given additional perks and skills to keep them viable/relevant/made more awesome. The new jobs were designed to be complete at level 60. So it's less "My cool job just got more awesome at level 60", and more "Now that i'm level 60 I can keep up".

At least this is the feeling I get. It will take some time, but hopefully AST and the other new jobs should be getting that awesome feeling in time.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Point is, you cannot make AST on par with SCH on Nocturnal and WHM on Diurnal. While that would be "balanced", it would make both WHM and SCH obsolete as you could just roll an AST and be both with the flip of a switch.

Would that really make the other 2 obsolete though? If all 3 of them were at the same level, people would play their favourite healer anyways, with non-impact card buffs adding just a tiny plus if bringing an AST. Our cards are not that game breaking and even less with their randomness.

[SuzakuCMX]

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Most people aren't asking for carbon copies of SCH/WHM moves either. They just want the aspected Benefics to be on par with their SCH/WHM counterparts which still leaves AST wanting for....everything else SCH/WHM has.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Would that really make the other 2 obsolete though? If all 3 of them were at the same level, people would play their favourite healer anyways, with non-impact card buffs adding just a tiny plus if bringing an AST. Our cards are not that game breaking and even less with their randomness.

It depends what you mean by "same level". Making diurnal pour out as much raw healing as WHM and nocturnal as much potential mitigation as SCH yes, it would make those two classes obsolete as with AST you would be able to do both of those things as well as them, and those two things are what it is needed in raids, mostly. Everything else is just added fluff.
Set aside the "people would play their favourite". No, people will play whatever is FOTM or simply whatever is more powerful/versatile.

[Codek]

It depends what you mean by "same level". Making diurnal pour out as much raw healing as WHM and nocturnal as much potential mitigation as SCH yes, it would make those two classes obsolete as with AST you would be able to do both of those things as well as them, and those two things are what it is needed in raids, mostly. Everything else is just added fluff.
Set aside the "people would play their favourite". No, people will play whatever is FOTM or simply whatever is more powerful/versatile.

People are already picking the more powerful/versatile classes....that's kind of the problem here.

I'm not sure why you think having the classes equal in potency suddenly translates to having AST be better then the other two.

And, just because AST can fit in both roles, doesn't mean we get to play both. Technically, the role AST is suppose to play is based off the other healer in the party. We don't really have much say in the matter as it's usually pre-determined before we enter an instance (let alone during a boss fight). Sadly, It just so happens that Nocturnal is so bad right now that most AST will play as a double WHM combo then pretend to be a SCH.

AST/AST combo is also another whole mess of failure to go over. It sure won't be becoming the second coming anytime in the future.

[Rubiss]

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AST brings more to the table than just healing. They are also a buffing class. While their buffs don't seem to be anything special at the moment, the entire point is that they bring something different to a party. It feels as thought a majority of Astrologian threads and ideas just want Astrologian to be as good as a Scholar in Nocturnal and as good as a White Mage in Diurnal while still being able to support the party with buffs.

AST has been out for a little over a month, with Savage only being out for two days as of writing this. I don't even think players are able to properly judge how good Astrologian is. Remember when Scholar first came out?

The point is, AST seems to be a support healer type. With this in mind, I would expect the overall healing potency of AST to be lower because they ideally support the party with buffs. If anything their "buffs" need a buff.

[Talia_Hailwind]

The Dev Team doesn't love astrologian, that's all.

They don't love healers in general, have you seen our glamor choices?

Nun, Nun, Nun, Nun, Orthodox set, Nun, Nun, Nun

[lordparanoia]

Good lord, huge buffs and more whining. Maybe you should actually play with some of the changes actually feel before continuing to complain endlessly.

I didnt write 19 pages all by myself. I'm not saying i don't like ast. These buffs are not "huge", because lightspeed was a nerf and Now it is "ok". spread is not a buff and ewer is not a buff but an adjustement.
it's just the starting point to improve this job. And i'm not the only one who thinks so.

[ckc22]

Point is, you cannot make AST on par with SCH on Nocturnal and WHM on Diurnal. While that would be "balanced", it would make both WHM and SCH obsolete as you could just roll an AST and be both with the flip of a switch.

Exactly. Inb4 you get called a troll by everyone on this board though.

[Violin]

That was the fundamental problem with the class, and they got absolutely nothing to address that problem.

Agreed, but I don't think that Square is anywhere close to done with tweaking ASTs in the least. Understandably they released tweaks to the class with Savage, but that's all they can do with the data they have. I imagine once they have more data regarding Savage outcomes with AST that more tweaks to the abilities they said they'd be changing will be coming out in the coming weeks. Im just grateful for what I got right now as they could have just held off completely until AFTER ASTs get pretty much banished from Savage runs.