Astrologian "BUFFS"

[Yhisa]

because im tired... im annoyed with ALL these people going on and on and on about astrologian...... i bet u that Majority of them aint even max level or actually done some raiding as an AST........... at this point i do not care any more .... i have litterally given up on explaining about AST we had a minor weakness.. and gear issue and that is it.......... SO I WISH this thread to be locked and many other because this is all getting out of hand now

[Cupcakesu]

i give up.... my brain is melting down due to ..... players got that AST should be like WHM or SCH or do the same or try and make the job too strong......... all i want is a healer that is NOT like the other 2 current healers or to be COMPARED to the other 2 healers..... i do not want multiple healing cooldowns ... all i want is a healer which does Raw healing and buff players to me this what it feels like

WHM = Healer that carry the group with raw healing power (Priest)
SCH = Healer that protect the group as much as possible and reduce damage in take (Paladin with pet)
AST = Healer that Tops up the injured and Buff the Brawn (Enchantress)

If only AST actually had that niche. SCH's Selene manages to (mostly) match our buffs without RNG and with more consistency. Our petty 5% party damage boosts for 15s that take at the least 60 seconds to set up with perfect RNG can hardly be considered worthy of the title "Enchantress". I'd love for them to BE that though, and they're not there yet.

because im tired... im annoyed with ALL these people going on and on and on about astrologian...... i bet u that Majority of them aint even max level or actually done some raiding as an AST........... at this point i do not care any more .... i have litterally given up on explaining about AST we had a minor weakness.. and gear issue and that is it.......... SO I WISH this thread to be locked and many other because this is all getting out of hand now

There's nothing getting "out of hand" here. You're always free to leave the Healer Roles forum if for whatever reason you can't take the constructive criticism being given to SE involving a Healer class that people, I must remind you, WANT TO DO WELL. If SE feels AST needs it, they'll listen to complaints. If SE doesn't feel AST needs help, they'll leave them be. Either way, you don't lose, so I can't understand what your problem is.

[Vlady]

Healer forums are not for the feint of heart. Goto bed and I'll fight the fight for you. Se knows that astrologian job is not weak and well at most alter the two cooldown s that are worthless outside of rp emotes.

[Cynfael]

because im tired... im annoyed with ALL these people going on and on and on about astrologian...... i bet u that Majority of them aint even max level or actually done some raiding as an AST........... at this point i do not care any more .... i have litterally given up on explaining about AST we had a minor weakness.. and gear issue and that is it.......... SO I WISH this thread to be locked and many other because this is all getting out of hand now

It's not worth getting worked up over. Most of this thread is about picking apart weaknesses and providing feedback in the hope of seeing further tweaks.

If you read carefully, you'll note that most posters don't try to make AST out to be some sort of truly unplayable Job; however, many of us feel that the current state of AST deserves this kind of feedback because we don't want to invest our playtime in a Job that's inherently disadvantaged compared to similar Jobs. Passable isn't good enough. It either needs to be a more powerful/flexible healer or needs a very compelling buff system to compensate for its comparative lack of healing cooldowns.

Sure, it would have been nice for AST to have a truly unique healing style, but that wasn't in the cards this time around, so we work with what we've been given.

[Yhisa]

There's nothing getting "out of hand" here. You're always free to leave the Healer Roles forum if for whatever reason you can't take the constructive criticism being given to SE involving a Healer class that people, I must remind you, WANT TO DO WELL. If SE feels AST needs it, they'll listen to complaints. If SE doesn't feel AST needs help, they'll leave them be. Either way, you don't lose, so I can't understand what your problem is.

yes i know but im in multiple of threads already explaining AST ,,,,, just trying to beat it into people heads to stop thinkin and comparing us to WHM and SCH and there Stat formulas and all that crap....the whole point is to make AST not like those healers im just trying to get my point across to players and that is all Vlady is also doing the same AST have minor weakness and that is it aswell as an identity crisis ....but yeah i just want a card throwing enchantress as a healer.... and not some mix up mongrel from other healers it feels like......... a SCH and WHM fell in love and had a Child and called it AST and slapped a bunch of cards in its face

But im out because brain is dead :O

[Cupcakesu]

a SCH and WHM fell in love and had a Child and called it AST and slapped a bunch of cards in its face

As much as it hurts to admit, that's already what we have. :P

A lot of the suggestions people are putting forward do feature cards because that's the most unique direction SE can take us and our current cards aren't cutting it. Math is an easy way to determine the "best-case-scenario" for our cards and that best case scenario is nowhere near where it should be.

[GideonHighmourn]

yes i know but im in multiple of threads already explaining AST ,,,,, just trying to beat it into people heads to stop thinkin and comparing us to WHM and SCH and there Stat formulas and

No one is asking anyone to explain AST. People understand it; it's not some sort of mysterious class with a secret key locked inside the middle of a labyrinth. There is a reason people compare AST and WHM/SCH; it's because they gave AST a near exact copy of their tool kits. AST hasn't created a new meta game for healers yet because of it's lack of utility cause by the RNG/potency of their card buffs.

This isn't bashing. It's not "hating". It's not a "lack of understanding AST". It's not a "fight" or "war". This is feedback, which is apparently something that people can't seem to understand.

[Ghishlain]

... a SCH and WHM fell in love and had a Child and called it AST and slapped a bunch of cards in its face

[Yurimi]

No one is asking anyone to explain AST. People understand it; it's not some sort of mysterious class with a secret key locked inside the middle of a labyrinth. There is a reason people compare AST and WHM/SCH; it's because they gave AST a near exact copy of their tool kits. AST hasn't created a new meta game for healers yet because of it's lack of utility cause by the RNG/potency of their card buffs.

This isn't bashing. It's not "hating". It's not a "lack of understanding AST". It's not a "fight" or "war". This is feedback, which is apparently something that people can't seem to understand.

To add to this its also being compaired because its taking their spot in the group it needs to be able to provide an equal exchange to the member removed to make it viable. Right now its losing potency AND throughput in the form of healing CD's in exchange for lackluster buffs that are based on RNG. A healer slot is a healer slot not a half healer half buffer slot that might buff you or might just roll spear throughout the entire fight.

[Miiu]

Healer forums are not for the feint of heart. Goto bed and I'll fight the fight for you. Se knows that astrologian job is not weak and well at most alter the two cooldown s that are worthless outside of rp emotes.

Oh please you are not "fighting" anything you are screaming from the sidelines hiding behind platitudes while others at least try to go into specifics. At this point I am 99% sure you are just trolling anyways.

yes i know but im in multiple of threads already explaining AST ,,,,, just trying to beat it into people heads to stop thinkin and comparing us to WHM and SCH and there Stat formulas and all that crap....the whole point is to make AST not like those healers im just trying to get my point across to players and that is all Vlady is also doing the same AST have minor weakness and that is it aswell as an identity crisis ....but yeah i just want a card throwing enchantress as a healer.... and not some mix up mongrel from other healers it feels like......... a SCH and WHM fell in love and had a Child and called it AST and slapped a bunch of cards in its face

But im out because brain is dead :O

Your explaining is for naught. People get what the AST is about and the role is trying to fill is outshined by the two other healers who's focus lies elsewhere. And that is the problem most people are addressing. Nobody here wants to have a carbon copy of SCH or WHM but lets be honest we are a copy of WHM already minus some smaller differences. And the reason people compare AST to WHM and SCH is because we have to. Because those are the two Jobs AST has to compete with. And I wouldn't call an identy crisis for a class a minor weakness. Its a core problem that has to be adressed and which isn't easy to handle from a game balance standpoint

Dont get me wrong I'd love for being mostly about being support. But where do you go from there?

A: Give AST enough utility buff that they bring the same DPS increase a SCH/WHM would bring to the group but keep the heal abilties the same. So a party would have to choose between 2 healers who offer more safety or the AST who brings the same numbers but is more of a risk. Due to RNG.

B: Give AST much stronger utility in order to increase the dps of the group much more than a WHM/SCH ever could while providing the same level of heals. This approach would certainly be more interesting in terms of what a group is willing to risk for higher DPS potentially offsetting DPS checks. If RNG plays in their favor.

Both approaches assume that RNG stays the same as it is now. Additionally SE would have to balance encounters much differently in terms of healing and dps checks for the harder content. So from SE's standpoint they would have a much easier life if they would neglect the cards. (as they are now but give AST almost the same healing capabilites as WHM/SCH) Which leads to the identity crisis they have at the moment. ASTs are neither here nor there. And that sucks. WHM and SCH have clearly defined roles they excel at. AST does not.

Again I want to emphasis that most of the people here want AST to be their own thing while still being on the same level as SCH/WHM.