Astrologian "BUFFS"

[Kietsu]

Astrologian has already healed A1 and A2. Not sure if you expect people to take you seriously.

And it has been universally agreed by parties that have cleared A1 and A2 with an Astrologian that bringing an Astrologian is a handicap.

[Vlady]

And it has been universally agreed by parties that have cleared A1 and A2 with an Astrologian that bringing an Astrologian is a handicap.

Come on Balmung and I will introduce you to a static and uses and astrologian and doesnt act like she is a handicap so I am not sure it is as universal as you claim. It is more of group negativity affecting perception then fact. A1 seems tailor made for an astrologian when it syncs up Synastry with double tank buster quite nicely. If you have a white mage in your group go noc stance since our aspect noc is on par with lustrate and we can spam it more then 3 times every 60 seconds.

[OpheliaHeartilly]

Astrologian has already healed A1 and A2. Not sure if you expect people to take you seriously.

I think you would be complaining a lot if your Bard dps toolkit lacked the abilities to keep it competitive with other dps classes. AST is not in a good place compared to the other two healers. I'm sure someone out there can clear savage with a thaumaturge in their party-- it doesn't make it a good choice though, nor does it mean thaumaturge is as capable as BLM. Anyone that says AST is a solid raid healer is flat out lying or has no idea what they are talking about. If AST performs so well, where are all the threads singing it's praises? Linking videos showing that the content was cleared with an AST doesn't prove it is fine. It proves the content was cleared with a group of competent raiders that worked well together, despite the glaring flaws of the AST design.

[FaizeD]

Astrologian has already healed A1 and A2. Not sure if you expect people to take you seriously.

Alright bro, how about you come back when you've actually levelled AST, let alone taken it to savage. I have done both. We all make do, that doesn't mean there isn't room for vast improvements. I'm pretty sure no one has taken you seriously here.

[Sidra]

If I say I will clean your house if you give me a blow job, is it a free house cleaning because it didn't cost you money?

Aetherflows are a finite resource just like MP - and one could actually make the case that due to their usefulness and scarcity, an ability that costs one is actually more expensive than something with a standard MP cost.

I will agree with you it's free of MP costs if you agree it's not free, then you all could get back to whatever it is you were discussing before.

[Budi]

If I say I will clean your house if you give me a hug, is it a free house cleaning because it didn't cost you money?

Obviously. If I get a free house cleaning every time I hug you, put me on speed dial.

Aetherflows are a finite resource just like MP - and one could actually make the case that due to their usefulness and scarcity, an ability that costs one is actually more expensive than something with a standard MP cost.

One could argue that it is more expensive, but that would be a really bad idea. You are not throwing away your stacks, you are always using them, to get the ability you want. It is actually worse to NOT use them, than to use them. How you decide to use them doesn't change the fact.

I will agree with you it's free of MP costs if you agree it's not free.

I stated that free means no MP cost from the beginning, and never tried to argue otherwise. People only tried to argue the meaning of the word 'free', but failed, because the only thing they care about is "being right on the internet" and not what was actually said. That's why no one could answer my question "Why does it matter?" properly, because it doesn't.
You are literally trying to force a different meaning on the word I used to show to me that I'm wrong.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I stated that free means no MP cost from the beginning, and never tried to argue otherwise. People only tried to argue the meaning of the word 'free', but failed, because the only thing they care about is "being right on the internet" and not what was actually said. That's why no one could answer my question "Why does it matter?" properly, because it doesn't.
You are literally trying to force a different meaning on the word I used to show to me that I'm wrong.

Technically I could use Aetherflow stacks to get MP via Energy Drain. This means that every skill that uses Aetherflow costs exactly the amount of MP I would gain by using Energy Drain. This means they are not free, period.
Currently my ED gives me around 840 MP. This makes Lustrate cost that much, which is quite steep all things considered.

[Akava]

If I say I will clean your house if you give me a hug, is it a free house cleaning because it didn't cost you money?

Aetherflows are a finite resource just like MP - and one could actually make the case that due to their usefulness and scarcity, an ability that costs one is actually more expensive than something with a standard MP cost.

I will agree with you it's free of MP costs if you agree it's not free, then you all could get back to whatever it is you were discussing before.

A better example would be you cleaning their house in exchange for living in the spare room in their home. They could have used that room for an office, a playroom, or they could have rented the room out for money. In the case of Aetherflow, the lost MP is the same as the lost money from giving the room up.

As for AST (as an AST currently in Savage), the job is obviously on par with WHM or SCH. Regardless of what their cards bring to the table, they still need to be able to do their basic job, which is healing. The reason BRDs and MCHs can get away with doing less damage is because in raid content, there are three other dps to pick up the burden. BRD/MCH also provide support to those 3 dps to improve their damage to make up for their lower numbers. Even in 4 man content, they're more than likely able to improve the damage of their other damage dealer. For AST though, this doesn't translate as well because in raid content they only have one other healer and they are not improving that healer's output in any way. In 4 man content, they are the sole healer with lower throughput.

While I'll be the first to agree that AST can do most content fine, that doesn't mean they're doing it well. To put it simply, my limits as an AST are noticeably lower than a WHM or SCH.

[GideonHighmourn]

It is more of group negativity affecting perception then fact.

I'm fairly certain that it's quite factual that AST lacks healing cool downs compared to WHM/SCH, and brings far less DPS than WHM/SCH combo can.

Also, A. Benefic is far from equivalent/on-par with Lustrate; nice try, though!

[Vlady]

I'm fairly certain that it's quite factual that AST lacks healing cool downs compared to WHM/SCH, and brings far less DPS than WHM/SCH combo can.

Also, A. Benefic is far from equivalent/on-par with Lustrate; nice try, though!

How so? How can you factually calculate Synastry compared to shroud or light speed compared to mind? Both have their places. Synastry is far superior for double tank buster in A1 and light speed helios spam can nicely heal up a full group as well as medica spam. The other plus is the ability to have more freedom of movement to make your rounds to hit multiple spread out people or reposition yourself while dealing with an oh crap situation. You cannot factually prove scenarios when each job deals with each encounter seperately.

Right now Astrologian is in a good shape but if you want a potency buff to them then the shoe will be on the other foot. Our cards appear they will scale very well as our I level goes up. The astrologians nightly outnumbering scholars on my server speak a different picture hen the one you paint. But nice try though!