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  1. #1
    Player
    Codek's Avatar
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    Dalek Codex
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    I don't know what you guys are all complaining about, everyone seems to be overlooking the true buff.

    Resolved Issues:
    -An issue wherein the astrologian's auto-attack attributes were incorrect.
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    Always remember the Silver Rule:
    "Treat others as they treat you!" ...or something like that.

  2. #2
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    MidnightTundra's Avatar
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    Luciana Wolf
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 70
    INC AST defense force!

    No really. The buffs are nice and all but people saying that Light Speed is an emergency healing tool are a little off on that. It is the equivalent of swiftcasting a spell on the initial cast under light speed. You're actually not gaining any type of HPS increase because the GCD isn't reduced. You're just casting spells without the casting time. I'm honestly using it as a glorified swiftcast with MP saving capabilities. I like having mobility. It's a nice change but its not the emergency healing tool like people are calling it.

    The Ewer change is pretty cool. Due to my play style, I always want extra mp. Whenever I stumble across the card, I throw it on myself and there is a noticeable difference. No comment on Spire. It is a nice buff but I haven't run any content where I've really needed it.

    Shuffle CD being 60s is lovely and Spread out of combat is a huge QoL change.
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    Parawill's Avatar
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    Character
    Spark Joy
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    Basic maths! Cause that's what I can do

    Assuming Ewer & Spire is like all HoTs and DoTs, with its 15 second duration and 30 potency refresh, that's a total of 150 potency refresh.

    Extended Ewer & Spire has a 30 second duration which doubles potency refresh to a total of 300 potency refresh.

    Enhanced Ewer & Spire changes potency from 30 to 45 (50% of 30 = 15, the 100% = 30, so 30 + 15 = 45); however, duration is the same. So that means you get a 225 potency refresh with enhanced.

    Expanded Ewer & Spire is now AoE but 50% less potent. Therefore it's an 15 potency refresh (30 divided by 2) for a total of 75 potency refresh. Across a light party that's a 300 potency refresh collectively or 600 potency refresh in a full party. Factoring in benefits, expanded is kind of mediocre :P
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    Eudyptes's Avatar
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Been running some Alex runs after the patch. Ewer and spire seem better than they were before. Lightspeed, while better than it was, still isn't very useful. I find it to essentially be like getting roundabout version of a WHM's free cure proc, except it takes like 4 casts to fully benefit from it and you can only do it once every 2.5 min. Honestly it's still not very good, but at least we can use it when when low on mana. The shuffle buff hardly seems noticeable to me. Spread is a nice QoL change, but does nothing for combat. And even though it's more potent, CU is in exactly the same spot it was before.

    All in all, this buff did almost nothing to help the class. Our mana regen was slightly improved, but not by a huge amount. That's it really.
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    TonberiScholar's Avatar
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    Esmond Sage
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    Siren
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Lightspeed as an "emergency healing tool" is mainly for allowing you to cast Benefic II/Aspected Helios at less cost. The being instant-cast/faster-cast is less for "emergency" and more for movement.

    The Ewer change combined with the Lightspeed cost reduction should help sustainability issues, but AST still has a bit of a throughput issue. Lightspeed helps in letting you use your bigger heals more often (and being more reliable of a cost reduction than the old Ewer), but I'm not quite sure if it's going to be enough yet.
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    Character
    Arilaya Syldove
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TonberiScholar View Post
    Lightspeed as an "emergency healing tool" is mainly for allowing you to cast Benefic II/Aspected Helios at less cost. The being instant-cast/faster-cast is less for "emergency" and more for movement.

    The Ewer change combined with the Lightspeed cost reduction should help sustainability issues, but AST still has a bit of a throughput issue. Lightspeed helps in letting you use your bigger heals more often (and being more reliable of a cost reduction than the old Ewer), but I'm not quite sure if it's going to be enough yet.
    I agree. Though I'd say that if you need to move and heal, Lightspeed is undoubtedly the best ability in the game for it now, no question. It will come in handy for swift liberation, as an example. But the class still doesn't have an actual catchup tool. It can be more wasteful with benefic IIs, but that won't save it from a WHM that has a stronger regen, better actual healing throughput, divine seal, presence of mind, assize, and everything else that makes them a substantially better healer by raw throughput.

    Even the Scholar has more throughput because the Fairy is just ridiculous for that, even though their AoE healing is arguably worse (or better depending on what you are after).

    Until the AST gets its throughput fixed, it will always be a bad healer by comparison to the WHM/Scholar.
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    Koopatroopa's Avatar
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    Koopa Troopa
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    People are focusing on the reduced cast time of Lightspeed instead of the mana reduction aspect of it. More mana = more heals! Before we had to pace ourselves. Now with the Refresh and Lightspeed we can be more aggressive meaning more heals = more output.
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    Eudyptes's Avatar
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Koopatroopa View Post
    People are focusing on the reduced cast time of Lightspeed instead of the mana reduction aspect of it. More mana = more heals! Before we had to pace ourselves. Now with the Refresh and Lightspeed we can be more aggressive meaning more heals = more output.
    It's literally 1 extra heal every 2.5 min. Let's not get carried away here.
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    Koopa Troopa
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    Excalibur
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Eudyptes View Post
    It's literally 1 extra heal every 2.5 min. Let's not get carried away here.
    Um, what???????
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