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    I disagree. Random is pretty much the ONLY thing that makes NPC battles anything other than faceroll easy. Even WITH the rule, I still win over half my battles against NPCs.

    Because NPCs draw upon a very small pool of cards and because their AI is so predictable, it's easy to build a counterdeck and predict their strategies for easy win after easy win. Random is the only way that you'll ever have to STRUGGLE for your win. When I farmed Gaius from the Imperial and Lightning from Tataru, the former was a boring grind and the latter was actually kinda fun, no question.

    And, for those who complain that it's just too hard when you wind up with four 1-star cards against the NPC's powerhouse deck, remember you only need to take ONE more card than the opponent does. Lay out your 1-star cards in such a way that when the computer inevitably takes one, you can take it back with another 1-star. Don't bother trying to take the computer's cards; you won't be able to unless you're very lucky. Focus on taking back the cards the computer takes from you. You can remain evenly matched against the computer until the end, when you can drop the one "power" card you're usually issued in a random. And, when your "power" card isn't powerful? You'll generally still be able to manage a draw.

    This strategy actually works well even in non-random decks, against NPCs that have decks full of multiple 4- and 5-star cards while you're stuck with one 5-star and the rest 3-star. Play out your 3-stars so that you can take them back when the computer trounces them, and save your trump to tip the balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    I it's easy to build a counterdeck and predict their strategies for easy win after easy win.
    I lol'ed

    Please elude us how to build a deck with random? Nothing personal but your logic doesn't even make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
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    This is all fun when writen, but stupid on a real match. You take ONE card, and the opponent gets 2 back, sometimes even 3, because your max. side number is even less than their minimum. I have those cards already (93 atm), just missing Hilda. Talking from experience. I should have recorded all my grind on NPCs to show how stupid it was, even baiting easy sides to get theirs didn't work as you said, because in the end they would place another 4-5 star and take both of what you already had, with a side left uncovered that would still be higher than your maximum ones.

    PS: RNG ≠ difficulty.
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    Last edited by Kit-Kat; 07-21-2015 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit-Kat View Post
    This is all fun when writen, but stupid on a real match. You take ONE card, and the opponent gets 2 back, sometimes even 3, because your max. side number is even less than their minimum. I have those cards already (93 atm), just missing Hilda. Talking from experience. I should have recorded all my grind on NPCs to show how stupid it was, even baiting easy sides to get theirs didn't work as you said, because in the end they would place another 4-5 star and take both of what you already had, with a side left uncovered that would still be higher than your maximum ones.

    PS: RNG ≠ difficulty.
    If the computer is taking two back, you're placing your cards poorly. Here's the best way to do it:

    1. Start by placing a 1-star card in a corner. I usually place in the lower left. Only two edges are accesible.
    2. Computer takes that card. Now, your taken one-star card only has a single edge accessible.
    3. Take that card back with another 1-star card. That card is now protected - all four edges are inaccessible. Additionally, the card you just played only has 2 edges accessible.
    4. Computer takes your new card. Your newly taken 1-star card has one edge accessible.
    5. Take that card. That card is now protected, as well. You're keeping dead even with the computer, and all the A's in the world can't do anything to change it because no vulnerable edges are exposed.

    You always want to play your weak cards so that if the computer takes one, you can take it back with another weak card in such a way that the first card becomes permanently yours. Keep an eye out for when the computer exposes vulnerability on its powerful cards, but even when it does it's not always worth taking if you take it with a card the computer will just take back.

    Remember, you don't have to have a deck capable of beating the computer's cards. You only need to have a deck capable of beating YOUR OWN cards, as well as ONE of the computer's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yigzatoth View Post
    I lol'ed

    Please elude us how to build a deck with random? Nothing personal but your logic doesn't even make sense.
    Your reading comprehension needs work. Please reread my post: NPCs WITHOUT random are easy, because you can build a counterdeck. NPCs WITH random are the only ones that are any challenge to play against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Procedure for tying shoes and other concepts as equally simplified.
    That whole concept fails when you're sitting with a hand of 1-star cards (with maybe a 3 or 5 star tossed in there) so that you play the game taking back what you can and defending your cards properly, then your opponent's last card takes two of yours just based on the fact that he's playing a 4- or 5-star since he can hold more than one of them at a time anyway. In Random, you can play your game perfectly and still lose because you have a handful of shit versus his handful of gold. That's not difficult, nor is it fun. Not even remotely challenging because you know you can't win. It's just as it's been said before. You're actually punished by having more cards to pull from. And even the NPCs' AI is weak enough that you can pretty well predict exactly what card he's going to play when. So you know that as you're playing he's going to take your 1-star with what 3-star because, well... reasons, and even if you follow that up with your own combo chances are that he'll just finish you off to a draw because your random cards are like paper to his scissors.
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