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    Mattiux's Avatar
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    Mattiux Black
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    i think we are still missing the whole point here.
    Warrior are fine, because the set of ability works fine with the job and the party.

    On a dummy i've seen parser of ~850-870 for a DrK and ~930-950 for a Warrior.

    This is due to the 10% of storm's eye, so the Dps is fine and don't deserve a nerf.

    The real struggle comes when the time in OT mode go over the 2 min. A warrior as a job self-sufficient can go on and don't need Tp or anything.
    (and this while he bring on the table the 10% buff and 10% debuff for every damage by himself).

    beyond the 2min the DrK fall behind with the Dps, while is behind from the beginning for the party utility.

    I'm still failing to understand the reason behind all this "Nerf the warrior fever" .
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    Rawker Stone
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    Inb4 pld gets a tp version of sheltron.
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    Nanananana Batman
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    Shiva
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Madepossible View Post
    Q&A:

    how balanced is Warrior? Is Warrior a DPS or a Tank? I am seriously putting my marks on that because as of right now, Dark Knight runs out of TP pretty fast - no self tp management like Warrior has and they do lower DPS compared to Warrior so of course people choose Warrior over a Dark Knight any day!

    Warrior = Offtank
    Dark Knight = Main Tank.

    Now u should realize why you'll never do as much dmg as a warrior.
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    Naomi Enami
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by AkiraNatsuki View Post
    Warrior = Offtank
    Dark Knight = Main Tank.

    Now u should realize why you'll never do as much dmg as a warrior.
    On what basis are you pigeon-holing these classes into those roles?

    1- ALL three tanks are FULLY capable of main tanking and mitigating ALL tank busters with proper CD rotations, taking roughly the same accumulated damage over the entirety of a fight where one tank will edge over the other by about 2%. (WAR can mitigate more often due to IB but has the toughest time dealing with prolonged bursts, i.e. 20 seconds of high incoming damage).
    2. ALL three tanks are FULLY capable of off tanking any fight fully filling in for DPS and added responsibilities. (Yes, yes, some have TP issues and provide less utilities, so what?)

    A better geared/more knowledgeable WAR tank is exponentially better than a less geared any other class. It'll be FOOLISH to let the WAR OT if they can mitigate damage better than a PLD/DRK that do not know what to mitigate.

    Only reason 1 tank should do one role or the other is solely the comfort/confidence on the party side and the tank himself.
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    Argyle Darkheart
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    Warrior Lv 90
    If you're going to nerf WAR's DPS, then you're going to have to nerf all of the tanks' DPS. If you don't understand why I'm saying this, then you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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    Rain Arrows
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    They don't need to nerf warrior...leave Warriors alone...we like them.
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    Server: BEHEMOTH
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    Playing since Beta phase 3

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    Anienai Talenca
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikedizzy View Post
    They don't need to nerf warrior...leave Warriors alone...we like them.
    And we like you too.
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    Amou Kiaran
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    Machinist Lv 60
    I've been looking for an excuse to bring this back.

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    Yorumi Eienyuki
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    Red Mage Lv 77
    I'll preface by saying I don't want war nerfed. I think though the slashing debuff is a source of problems. It leads to the disparity in parses, but war is the only class that can apply it permanently and it synergizes with nin and all other tanks. Since you have to select 2 out of the 3 tanks, this slashing debuff, combine with nearly infinite tp means war is almost required in all 8 man parties. At a minimum slashing debuff is affect 2 members of the party, and just get better with each nin. I do think it would help if they allowed nin to permanently apply slashing debuff.
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    Rosenthal Hogire
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    I do think it would help if they allowed nin to permanently apply slashing debuff.
    They already can.
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