Naoki Yoshida, Balance the game please [War DPS TOO HIGH!]

[RobBull]

This thread https://youtu.be/rYbetvkPA6I

[Ladon]

You are starting with 5 stacks and you use two defensive cooldowns for that? Have fun tanking savage. Also that is no rotation, that is an opener.

Edit: What parsing shows? Parsing shows that every compentent DRK will compete with a WAR until their TP runs dry if they are on the same target with the same gear. How that translates into real fights? Don't know. Up until today there haven't been any real fights in the game.

Yes that is a damage rotation. Do you even want to go into a tanking rotation versus DRK who will be stuck in Grit with no Blood Weapon?

And no sorry, DRKs are not parsing anywhere close to warriors now. Maybe you are thinking pre-Dark Arts fix.

[Launched]

And no sorry, DRKs are not parsing anywhere close to warriors now. Maybe you are thinking pre-Dark Arts fix.

DRKs can parse in the mid 800s without Storm's Eye. Put them in a group with a WAR, and until they run out of TP they'll be doing similar damage.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

Yes. If a warrior crits all 3 felcleave in a row! Which I have never seen happen as a warrior main.

9K Felcleaves? jeez.. My gear is optimal for a warrior OT, and even with full STR accessories; my highest non-ravana Felcleave crit has been close to 7k. Where are these warriors that run around spamming Felcleaves off GCD for gaurenteed 9k+ crits and how are they doing it?!

[Kiteless]

Because Soul Eater is at the end of a combo. It isn't a burst skill and isn't an additional skill off of a combo chain like FC and C&S are. And if you want to get technical the effective potency of Soul Eater is 460 to Butcher Blocks 378 which is a much smaller gap than Fell Cleaves effective 675 potency to 518 potency of Carve and Split so the sustained damage is practically the same and we all know that DRKs can't sustain that type of damage for long before MP becomes and issue let alone the TP issues; both which Warriors don't have to deal with. And if you want to talk about the burst capabilities in say a 30 second timeframe, DRKs aren't even touching what Warriors are pushing out now.

Also if we were going to take Carve and Split off it's cooldown it would basically function like FC. That is a DRK will be able to push out 3 DA-C&S back to back and then will need about 20 seconds to get the mana back for another DA just like a warrior needs to rebuild wrath. And that of course leaves nothing to DA Soul Eater with meaning the Warrior is still pushing out higher potency combos than the DRK while the two of them rebuild their resource.

And yeah I guess you can only get 5 FCs in a minute. 60 seconds with Vengeance up, 62.5 seconds if it's down. This is with standard GCD of course:

FC -> Vengeance + Raw Intuition + 4(5) GCs for 3(4) more wrath (10 sec/12.5 sec) -> FC (2.5 sec) -> Infuriate -> FC (2.5 sec) -> Wrath rebuild + FC (22.5 sec) -> Wrath rebuild + FC (22.5 sec)

But really, all I am doing here is putting a lot of words to what the parsing already shows.

In the ~42 seconds (37 not including downtime) that it takes for WAR to complete its 3*Fell Cleave opener, DRK can get in two Scourges and five DA+SEs of its own, in addition to C&S and its other oGCD skills. Now, you probably wouldn't want to use 5 DA+SEs in a row as DRK, but if you really want to go hard in the paint, that's totally possible with Blood Weapon.

If you really want to get into numbers, that's a combined potency of 4360 for the WAR's opener, unmodified for buffs. Including Maim and Berserk, that's a total of 8655 potency.

As for DRK, with Scourge, 5 DA+SE combos, and all its available oGCDs (except Reprisal and Dark Passenger, because lolReprisal and Dark Passenger is awful), you're looking at a combined potency of 6575. If you want to factor in Dark Arts, that's a total 7561 potency.

So 8655 to 7561 potency is about a 13% difference for each classes' respective maximum burst. That's not too bad a difference when you consider that, in the meantime, DRK is going to be slinging out combos worth 680/800 potency along with some potent oGCDs and DoTs, while WAR only has access to alternating 610/630 combos with no real oGCD offensive presence outside of Brutal Swing (50 potency...), and one of the worst DoTs in Fracture. In fact, if it weren't for DRKs egregious TP management (which does need to be fixed), DRK should be able to consistently out parse WAR over time, assuming both have access to Storm's Eye/Dancing Edge. In fights with lots of downtime and burst periods where WAR doesn't have the time to consistently land 3*FC burst openings, we know that DRK already goes head to head with WAR (once again, Lucrezia's Ravana Ex run, which, although a niche case, proves the point here decently).

Once again, you're looking for problems where there aren't any in a class with a tonne of legitimate ones that are actually worth addressing.

[Galgarion]

I really would like to see a parse log that shows a Warrior maintaining 900 dps while main tanking. If a warrior maintains good mitigation but lower damage, then he's using inner beast correctly and is a healer's delight. If he's really hitting 900 per sec, then my psychic powers are predicting a healer with a low mana bar nursing a huge grudge.

Warrior: "See you next week, guise!"

White Mage: "Hahaha, No."

[Blueskyy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKX2xeOUwAE2mhX.png:large

Here's an image on Lucrezia, the top JP fc dps in ravana extreme. your 900 dps shit is unofficially invalid

[Galgarion]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKX2xeOUwAE2mhX.png:large

Here's an image on Lucrezia, the top JP fc dps in ravana extreme. your 900 dps shit is unofficially invalid

Wooooo. OP, could we get a response?

[Aerya]

Wooooo. OP, could we get a response?

I don't know for OP but I really like these numbers. When we talk about tanks in my FC, the Warriors usually scream "We're so OP, we're better than real DPS, our numbers are crazy and you don't understand anything if you can't see how strong we are now! PLD and DRK are useless!".

So now, I want a WAR nerf, just to cool down some WAR players a bit (in my FC and with DF WAR too, of course)....

On the other hand, we did an Aery run with one DPS only (Ninja, we didn't have another DPS up), and 2 tanks (WAR MT and DRK OT), and the run went a lot faster and smoother than it usually goes with 2 DF DPS (with lvl55~ players, so not overgeared). So I can understand the feeling about tanks DPS.

[Warzik19]

It's hilarious that people think paladin and drk can't put up similar numbers and that warrior dps is too high. Just gonna say that I can maintain about 900 as a warrior in most normal mode alexander fights. While other dps in my static and dps I know are maintaining 1200dps the entire fights. I can't even come close to maintaining that to the end of a fight. If you are getting out dpsed by warrior or other off tank it's not because their dmg is too op it's because you need to get good.