Why no "Plexx" system?

[RichardButte]

EVE Online and a number of other MMOs have "legalized" goldselling in the form of "Plexx", "Credd" or another similar item.

It works like this:
1. A player buys a month of game time in the form of an item from the FFXIV online store.

2. They can then sell this item on the Market Board in game. Other players buy it with in-game gil: NO NEW GIL IS BEING "CREATED" HERE!!!

3. Since this costs SE absolutely nothing, it allows them to "legally" sell gil, thus making RMT sites unappealing by comparison because there's no risk of being banned by buying game time from SE.

Seriously, I spend most of my time on /busy to avoid the constant RMT whispers. This would put a big nail in the RMT coffin and make SE more money to boot...

[Culfinrandir]

This would be classed by many as Pay to Win. It could also cause legal issues under various laws (I mainly know EU & UK legislation).

[RichardButte]

This would be classed by many as Pay to Win. It could also cause legal issues under various laws (I mainly know EU & UK legislation).

People who want to pay to win are going to pay to win either way.

It's much better if they do it through SE and we'd see a reduced RMT presence because it'll gut the market for RMT.

[BlaiseArath]

People who want to pay to win are going to pay to win either way.

It's much better if they do it through SE and we'd see a reduced RMT presence because it'll gut the market for RMT.

I kinda disagree? Yah, there are people who are going to pay-to-win either way, but sanctioning it will bring more people to "Pay to win". I'd like to say I know I'm an example of this. Guild Wars 2 offers a way to exchange their gem currency for in game currency, and while I've never participated in RMT, in a game like GW2 I do sometimes trade Gems for Gold in order to quicker level a craft. So the fact its sanctioned has convinced me to do it (mostly knowing I'm supporting the game).

THAT SAID, I think the problem itself would be SE can create gil from nothingness, it could drastically effect the economy. They could introduce a Buy/Sell system like GW2 but then they would need a special currency in game to trade with... idk. I don't think this is a great idea, it might help reduce the presence or RMT but It would impact the game pretty heavily if it was just a straight "Buy gil?" option.

[RichardButte]

THAT SAID, I think the problem itself would be SE can create gil from nothingness, it could drastically effect the economy. They could introduce a Buy/Sell system like GW2 but then they would need a special currency in game to trade with... idk. I don't think this is a great idea, it might help reduce the presence or RMT but It would impact the game pretty heavily if it was just a straight "Buy gil?" option.

There's no actual gil being created, though.

You're taking an item you bought with real money and selling it to other players who buy it with their in game gil.

Also, I've not looked hugely into this, but how much of an advantage can you really buy with gil in raiding and whatnot? Is materia melded gear from crafting the best for raids?

[Dererk]

People who want to pay to win are going to pay to win either way.

It's much better if they do it through SE and we'd see a reduced RMT presence because it'll gut the market for RMT.

Nope nope nope nope.

There was already a 60 page thread about this and most wer against it.

The way I see it most who would actually want this just want a way to make fast Gil.

[RichardButte]

The way I see it most who would actually want this just want a way to make fast Gil.

That's EXACTLY the point: people with less time but more money OUTSIDE the game would be selling game sub time to people who have more time INSIDE the game but less money outside.

No new gil is brought into existence, and it makes it so RMT gil is by far the worse option because you cannot get banned for selling SE's game time.

Meanwhile, it wrecks the RMT gil market because they have to sell their gil for SO much cheaper to justify buying it over SE's alternative, thus leading to VASTLY less RMT presence in game, including town spammers and random whispers.

It's worked great in other MMOs and it's a win-win situation for everyone except RMT companies.

Clearly, SOMEONE is buying gil from RMTers right now, otherwise they wouldn't be continuing to try to sell it.

The sad truth is that SE can ban all of the RMT accounts they want and it's meaningless: RMTers pay for these accounts with stolen credit cards or they hack people's accounts and use their characters as spambots. The ONLY way to beat them is to take the market for gil away from them, period. NOTHING ELSE is going to work...

[Dererk]

I still say no and there's a good example of why it will never happen.

FFXI its been plagued by bots for years and the like but they never put in what your asking for.

You put something like this in it would have a high chance of ruining this game this is not a free for all pvp game like eve and in no way dose it have a place here.


What we do need is a better way to report bots because I will never type out a full report because I'm a slow typer seriously I'm chicken pecking this as I type that's one of the reasons these people never get reported too many of them and a long a?? Report to fill out not to mention it doesn't help that there's no auto translate that you can use in it I mean for crying out loud even the server names sent in it you can't honestly tell me ever person can spell their servers name in already bad with spelling for crying out loud WTH SE.

Then we have to type out the stupid bots long a?? Names that would take a master code breaker a full year to find out if it even makes sense to call it a name. Then you gotta type in WTH their doing.


And the other real problem is the people buying Gil with their moms credit card lets admit it these people are scum. We need harsher punishments for these people. I'm not talking a 1 week suspension I'm talking more suspended till next patch.

[RichardButte]

FFXI its been plagued by bots for years and the like but they never put in what your asking for.

That's not really an argument against it, though. That's an argument that SE needs to do something...

You put something like this in it would have a high chance of ruining this game this is not a free for all pvp game like eve and in no way dose it have a place here.

How would it ruin the game? You do realize WoW has items you can buy on the store for real money and sell in game on the AH, right?

That's not what ruined WoW. The guy who ran Diablo III into the ground taking control of it is what ruined it.

What we do need is a better way to report bots because I will never type out a full report because I'm a slow typer seriously I'm chicken pecking this as I type that's one of the reasons these people never get reported too many of them and a long a?? Report to fill out not to mention it doesn't help that there's no auto translate that you can use in it I mean for crying out loud even the server names sent in it you can't honestly tell me ever person can spell their servers name in already bad with spelling for crying out loud WTH SE.

I've actually posted a thread in this forum on that same subject. Agree completely. Why we have no "report for spamming" option on the menu when we right click is mystifying...

And the other real problem is the people buying Gil with their moms credit card lets admit it these people are scum. We need harsher punishments for these people. I'm not talking a 1 week suspension I'm talking more suspended till next patch.

Agreed, but the problem is sometimes that I'm sure some of the customers of RMT companies don't even KNOW that RMT is against the rules.

The best way to get rid of RMT is to reduce its profit margins to the point where it no longer makes sense for them to even try to sell gil.

If I didn't know better, I'd suspect SE is taking money from RMT companies in exchange for not having the tools for players to quickly and easily report RMTers.

[T2teddy]

It is NOT pay to win! People would be buying GAME TIME from the seller on the market.
That being said, it ain't gonna get rid of RMT who are selling currently non existent ingame gil