Thread: Can we please get a serious 24-man raid in 3.1?

Originally Posted by Reaperking386

I am against the very idea of a 24 premade raid that rivals Alexander difficulty. Here is my reasons:

1. 24 man raids require a whole knew balance in classes and mobs.
2. New boss mechanics must be introduced aside from 8 man raids.
3. It is wasted content. It is so much easier for raiders to get the same amount of armor for a 8 man than 24 man.
4. Why the hell would a FC ever do a 24 man over a 8 man other than the silly idea of it being big?
5. Even if you up the item level of a 24 man from 8 man you are now segregating smaller FC's who raid.
6. Raids cost time and money. If you introduce a new raid something else may be removed or will not be introduced in the content list.
7. It is a gamble that FF probably does not have interest in dealing with. Millions of dollars a new raid would cost.
If no one runs it Yoshi P. would have to tell them why he just lost all that money. I don't think FF has the budget for that yet.
8. It is probably not in Yoshi P's vision in his game.

1- Not necessarily.
2- It is true even for 8 man raids.
3- Gear isn't everything.
4- Because boss mechanics in a well designed 24 man raid are usually more interesting than those in smaller size party content (that 's the main reason large scale raids existed in other MMO).
5- Why ? Gear isn't everything and smaller FC could gang up together to tackle on content.
6- Not my problem. Anyway one cannot say we got a handful of new features in the latest expansion.
7- A raid doesn't cost millions of dollars, anyway we re paying a monthly subscription cost and the expansion.
8- Well then SE is going to have a surprise if the company expect the game to last for a decent amount of time.

1 - Still yes. You just don't 3x's damage and mechanics because there is 8 groups there.
2 - Still proves another point. Timely and costly.
3 - Gear is defiantly everything in end game. That is the main reason you go to a raid.
4 - Except 24 man raids are a thing in the past. Even wow is burying that hatchet adding Flex raids and reducing 24 man raids to 20 man mythic.
5 - Except they wont. You expect too much from raiders.
6 - That is very much your problem! If it fails than everyone suffers. You are literally thinking of only yourself.
7 - And you are getting exactly what you paid for and yes, it cost millions.
8 - At the moment they are doing pretty damn good.

I just can't handle another wow man...

add a hard mode to next 24 man raid (only joinable as premade party and share weekly gear drop with normal mode)? yes
bring out a hard mode without the normal mode? no

It's too expensive in terms of resources/how many people actually participate. Content takes time to develop, test, balance, model, and so forth. It's a massive investment. And when you're talking about content that by its very nature is meant to limit access, this looks like an increasingly top-heavy investment. Spending a huge amount of time and resources on content that most players won't see/complete is foolish.

LOL at someone saying "not my problem, my 15 bucks will cover it" plz go. there's a reason why MMOs moved away from that type of raid model, its not sustainable. cost/effective.

Originally Posted by Johaan

It's too expensive in terms of resources/how many people actually participate. Content takes time to develop, test, balance, model, and so forth. It's a massive investment. And when you're talking about content that by its very nature is meant to limit access, this looks like an increasingly top-heavy investment. Spending a huge amount of time and resources on content that most players won't see/complete is foolish.

LOL at someone saying "not my problem, my 15 bucks will cover it" plz go. there's a reason why MMOs moved away from that type of raid model, its not sustainable. cost/effective.

How can the raid be too expensive when they are already developing it right now? It's just a matter of fixing the difficulty/mechanics in a different mode.